This discussion was recorded on July 12, 2024. This transcript has been edited for clarity.
Robert D. Glatter, MD: Hi and welcome. I’m Dr. Robert Glatter, medical advisor for Medscape Emergency Medicine. I recently met an innovative young woman named Hannah Herbst while attending the annual Eagles EMS Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Hannah Herbst is a graduate of Florida Atlantic University, selected for Forbes 30 Under 30, and founder of a company called Golden Hour Medical. She has a background in IT and developed an automated pneumatic tourniquet known as AutoTQ, which we’re going to discuss at length here.
Also joining us is Dr. Peter Antevy, a pediatric emergency physician and medical director for Davie Fire Rescue as well as Coral Springs Parkland Fire Rescue. Peter is a member of EMS Eagles Global Alliance and is highly involved in high-quality research in prehospital emergency care and is quite well known in Florida and nationally.
Welcome to both of you.
Hannah Herbst: Thank you very much. Very grateful to be here.
Dr. Glatter: Hannah, I’ll let you start by explaining what AutoTQ is and then compare that to a standard Combat Application Tourniquet (CAT).
Ms. Herbst: Thank you. Unfortunately, blood loss is a leading cause of preventable death and trauma. When there’s blood loss occurring from an arm or a leg, the easiest way to stop it is by applying a tourniquet, which is this compression type of device that you place above the site of bleeding, and it then applies a high amount of pressure to stop blood flow through the limb.
Currently, tourniquets on the market have failure rates as high as 84%. This became very real to me back in 2018, when I became aware of mass casualty incidents when I was a student. I became interested in how we can reimagine the conventional tourniquet and try to make it something that’s very user-friendly, much like an automated external defibrillator (AED).
My team and I developed AutoTQ, which is an automated tourniquet. which is a leading cause of tourniquet failure and being able to effectively administer treatment to a patient that may bleed out.
Tourniquet Failure Rates
Dr. Glatter: In terms of tourniquet failure, how often do standard tourniquets fail, like the CAT combat-type tourniquet?
Ms. Herbst: Unfortunately, they fail very frequently. There are several studies that have been conducted to evaluate this. Many of them occur immediately after training. They found failure rates between 80% and 90% for the current conventional CAT tourniquet immediately after training, which is very concerning.
Dr. Glatter: In terms of failure, was it the windlass aspect of the tourniquet that failed? Or was it something related to the actual strap? Was that in any way detailed?
Ms. Herbst: There are usually a few different failure points that have been found in the literature. One is placement. Many times, when you’re panicked, you don’t remember exactly how to place it. It should be placed high and tight above the bleed and not over a joint.
The second problem is inadequate tightness. For a CAT tourniquet to be effective, you have to get it extremely tight on that first pull before the windlass is activated, and many times people don’t remember that in the stress of the moment.
Dr. Glatter: Peter, in terms of tourniquet application by your medics in the field, certainly the CAT-type device has been in existence for quite a while. Hannah’s proposing a new iteration of how to do this, which is automated and simple. What is your take on such a device? And how did you learn about Hannah’s device?
Peter M. Antevy, MD: We’ve been training on tourniquets ever since the military data showed that there was an extreme benefit in using them. We’ve been doing training for many years, including our police officers. What we’ve noticed is that every time we gather everyone together to show them how to place a tourniquet — and we have to do one-on-one sessions with them — it’s not a device that they can easily put on. These are police officers who had the training last year.
Like Hannah said, most of the time they have a problem unraveling it and understanding how to actually place it. It’s easier on the arm than it is on the leg. You can imagine it would be harder to place it on your own leg, especially if you had an injury. Then, they don’t tighten it well enough, as Hannah just mentioned. In order for a tourniquet to really be placed properly, it’s going to hurt that person. Many people have that tendency not to want to tighten it as much as they can.
Having said that, how I got into all of this is because I’m the medical director for Coral Springs and Parkland, and unfortunately, we had the 2018 Valentine’s Day murders that happened where we lost 17 adults and kids. However, 17 people were saved that day, and the credit goes to our police officers who had tourniquets or chest seals on before those patients were brought out to EMS. Many lives were saved by the tourniquet.
If you look at the Boston Marathon massacre and many other events that have happened, I believe — and I’ve always believed — that tourniquets should be in the glove box of every citizen. It should be in every school room. They should be in buildings along with the AED.
In my town of Davie, we were the first in the country to add an ordinance that required a Stop the Bleed kit in the AED cabinet, and those were required by buildings of certain sizes. In order to get this lifesaving device everywhere, I think it has to be put into local ordinance and supported by states and by the national folks, which they are doing.