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OBG Manag. 2020 November; 32(11).
The Fetal Pillow: A new option for delivering the deeply impacted fetal head
Robert L. Barbieri, MD
(Editorial; July 2020)
Alternative option to the Fetal Pillow
I enjoyed Dr. Barbieri’s editorial on the Fetal Pillow. I worry, however, that applying high air pressure to the upper vagina could result in an air embolism.
I have experienced good results using a vacuum cup. Like the pillow, it distributes the force more evenly than a hand. Also, the handle makes elevation of the vertex much less awkward and allows elevation to a higher station. Whatever approach is employed, using an open internal monitor catheter allows for a gentler procedure than when brute force alone is used to “break the seal” to allow ingress of air into the uterine cavity (at just 1 atmosphere of pressure).
John H. Sand, MD
Ellensburg, Washington
Cost of device must be considered
The information on the Fetal Pillow in Dr. Barbieri’s timely editorial, while limited in scope, does make the device look like a promising option.
One of my institution’s biggest issues relates to cost. We have had some interest in incorporating the Fetal Pillow into our practice, and we have been quoted a rate of about $600.00 per device. I had our Fetal Pillow representative look into reimbursement and have been informed that, at least in our region, there has been no reimbursement for the cost.
When I look at the cost of a hospital stay for a normal spontaneous vaginal delivery (NSVD), the cost of the Fetal Pillow would actually add 15% to 20% to that stay. Now, one must consider also the cost of extension of the uterine incision versus the cost of the Fetal Pillow. When we did a superficial look at when the Fetal Pillow might be used versus how many uterine extensions we experienced, the cost of the Fetal Pillow over a year far exceeded the cost of the uterine extensions. Without reimbursement, this appeared unsustainable. It has been interesting as some sites had no awareness of cost and the fact that essentially “the system” was absorbing those costs.
This issue is worthy of thought but likely one that most obstetricians will not consider.
Casey Morris, MD
Downers Grove, Illinois
Tip for dislodging the fetal head
I read Dr. Barbieri’s editorial regarding the Fetal Pillow and would like to share my experience. Over the last 30 years, I have used a simple trick. After entering the pelvic cavity, we push on the lower uterine segment toward the fundus prior to uterine incision. This helps dislodge the fetal head. Occasionally, you can feel the “pop” when the suction is broken, which sets the head free. We then proceed with the uterine incision and delivery of the head. We have had great success over the years, and the poor nurse does not have to go under the drapes.
Walter Kobasa Jr, MD
Wilmington, Delaware
Dr. Barbieri responds
I appreciate the recommendations and insights of Drs. Sand, Morris, and Kobasa. As I mentioned in the editorial on the Fetal Pillow, there are many clinical pearls about management of a second stage, deep-transverse cephalic arrest at the time of cesarean delivery, including to extend or T the uterine incision, push with a hand from below, reverse breech extraction, use a Coyne spoon, administer nitroglycerine or terbutaline, break the vaginal suction before attempting delivery, and incise a Bandl ring. Dr. Sand adds vaginal placement of a vacuum cup to our armamentarium, and Dr. Kobasa recommends dislodging the fetal head with a push on the lower uterine segment before making the hysterotomy incision. I thank Dr. Morris for correcting my failure to report the cost of the Fetal Pillow, reporting a quoted price of $600 for each Fetal Pillow. I agree with Dr. Morris that physicians have an important responsibility to be good stewards of health care resources and weigh the benefits and costs of our decisions.
Continue to: In your practice, are you planning to have a chaperone present for all intimate examinations?
In your practice, are you planning to have a chaperone present for all intimate examinations?
Robert L. Barbieri, MD
(Editorial; June 2020)
Enough is enough
I have always thought that many doctors who write opinions and pontificate about what should be done in practice live in la-la land. This editorial, for me, confirms it.
I personally am becoming tired of all this: dividing the specialty into obstetricians and gynecologists; pelvic exams are not necessary during annual visits; HPV testing by patients at home; doing away with Pap smears; Pap smears are not necessary for patients after a certain age; scribes in your footsteps to document all findings in the EMR; heaven forbid you do not ask the patient if she has a fire extinguisher in her house or some other stupid information; interpreters for people who speak Mongolian because their partner should not be used to interpret for them; and so on.
Now you want us to have a chaperone for every pelvic exam! Not any chaperone, but a specialized one! You worry about the sanctity and privacy of the patient but now have 2 additional people in the room for the patient’s exam. First, most patients prefer to have the least number of people looking at their bodies during an exam, especially a pelvic exam. Second, where do we get the money to support all of this? Does this type of policy make any sense? Are lawyers now controlling what medical care is all about? Is that what is now considered quality medical care?
By the way, I am not a burned out physician. I use common sense and consider what is best for my patients in everything that I do. If a patient requests a chaperone, my medical assistant will come to the room and provide that service. You do not need to be specialized to provide this service! Ivory tower people have lost all common sense. You consider yourselves the authorities in whatever medical field you specialize in, but let me tell you something: You really are not.
I know I will be criticized and demonized publicly by many; however, I have the courage to say what, in my opinion, I feel is right and what is wrong. Many physicians are afraid to do so, and, like sheep, will comply with your misguided opinions. I truly do not mean any disrespect to your knowledge and good intentions. I just think that enough is enough!
Gabriel G. Hakim, MD
Waterbury, Connecticut
Dr. Barbieri responds
In response to my editorial on the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) recommendation that chaperones be present for intimate examinations (ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796), Dr. Hakim outlines many concerns with the rapidly evolving practice of medicine.1 I am confident that the ACOG Committee on Ethics wisely considered the benefits, costs, and unintended consequences of the recommendation. The United States Veterans Administration, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, and the American College Health Association endorse a similar recommendation. I do not think the distinguished members of the committees who issued the recommendation “live in la-la land.”
Reference
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics. Sexual misconduct: ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796. Obstet Gynecol. 2020;135:e43-e50.
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics. Sexual misconduct: ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796. Obstet Gynecol. 2020;135:e43-e50.
OBG Manag. 2020 November; 32(11).
The Fetal Pillow: A new option for delivering the deeply impacted fetal head
Robert L. Barbieri, MD
(Editorial; July 2020)
Alternative option to the Fetal Pillow
I enjoyed Dr. Barbieri’s editorial on the Fetal Pillow. I worry, however, that applying high air pressure to the upper vagina could result in an air embolism.
I have experienced good results using a vacuum cup. Like the pillow, it distributes the force more evenly than a hand. Also, the handle makes elevation of the vertex much less awkward and allows elevation to a higher station. Whatever approach is employed, using an open internal monitor catheter allows for a gentler procedure than when brute force alone is used to “break the seal” to allow ingress of air into the uterine cavity (at just 1 atmosphere of pressure).
John H. Sand, MD
Ellensburg, Washington
Cost of device must be considered
The information on the Fetal Pillow in Dr. Barbieri’s timely editorial, while limited in scope, does make the device look like a promising option.
One of my institution’s biggest issues relates to cost. We have had some interest in incorporating the Fetal Pillow into our practice, and we have been quoted a rate of about $600.00 per device. I had our Fetal Pillow representative look into reimbursement and have been informed that, at least in our region, there has been no reimbursement for the cost.
When I look at the cost of a hospital stay for a normal spontaneous vaginal delivery (NSVD), the cost of the Fetal Pillow would actually add 15% to 20% to that stay. Now, one must consider also the cost of extension of the uterine incision versus the cost of the Fetal Pillow. When we did a superficial look at when the Fetal Pillow might be used versus how many uterine extensions we experienced, the cost of the Fetal Pillow over a year far exceeded the cost of the uterine extensions. Without reimbursement, this appeared unsustainable. It has been interesting as some sites had no awareness of cost and the fact that essentially “the system” was absorbing those costs.
This issue is worthy of thought but likely one that most obstetricians will not consider.
Casey Morris, MD
Downers Grove, Illinois
Tip for dislodging the fetal head
I read Dr. Barbieri’s editorial regarding the Fetal Pillow and would like to share my experience. Over the last 30 years, I have used a simple trick. After entering the pelvic cavity, we push on the lower uterine segment toward the fundus prior to uterine incision. This helps dislodge the fetal head. Occasionally, you can feel the “pop” when the suction is broken, which sets the head free. We then proceed with the uterine incision and delivery of the head. We have had great success over the years, and the poor nurse does not have to go under the drapes.
Walter Kobasa Jr, MD
Wilmington, Delaware
Dr. Barbieri responds
I appreciate the recommendations and insights of Drs. Sand, Morris, and Kobasa. As I mentioned in the editorial on the Fetal Pillow, there are many clinical pearls about management of a second stage, deep-transverse cephalic arrest at the time of cesarean delivery, including to extend or T the uterine incision, push with a hand from below, reverse breech extraction, use a Coyne spoon, administer nitroglycerine or terbutaline, break the vaginal suction before attempting delivery, and incise a Bandl ring. Dr. Sand adds vaginal placement of a vacuum cup to our armamentarium, and Dr. Kobasa recommends dislodging the fetal head with a push on the lower uterine segment before making the hysterotomy incision. I thank Dr. Morris for correcting my failure to report the cost of the Fetal Pillow, reporting a quoted price of $600 for each Fetal Pillow. I agree with Dr. Morris that physicians have an important responsibility to be good stewards of health care resources and weigh the benefits and costs of our decisions.
Continue to: In your practice, are you planning to have a chaperone present for all intimate examinations?
In your practice, are you planning to have a chaperone present for all intimate examinations?
Robert L. Barbieri, MD
(Editorial; June 2020)
Enough is enough
I have always thought that many doctors who write opinions and pontificate about what should be done in practice live in la-la land. This editorial, for me, confirms it.
I personally am becoming tired of all this: dividing the specialty into obstetricians and gynecologists; pelvic exams are not necessary during annual visits; HPV testing by patients at home; doing away with Pap smears; Pap smears are not necessary for patients after a certain age; scribes in your footsteps to document all findings in the EMR; heaven forbid you do not ask the patient if she has a fire extinguisher in her house or some other stupid information; interpreters for people who speak Mongolian because their partner should not be used to interpret for them; and so on.
Now you want us to have a chaperone for every pelvic exam! Not any chaperone, but a specialized one! You worry about the sanctity and privacy of the patient but now have 2 additional people in the room for the patient’s exam. First, most patients prefer to have the least number of people looking at their bodies during an exam, especially a pelvic exam. Second, where do we get the money to support all of this? Does this type of policy make any sense? Are lawyers now controlling what medical care is all about? Is that what is now considered quality medical care?
By the way, I am not a burned out physician. I use common sense and consider what is best for my patients in everything that I do. If a patient requests a chaperone, my medical assistant will come to the room and provide that service. You do not need to be specialized to provide this service! Ivory tower people have lost all common sense. You consider yourselves the authorities in whatever medical field you specialize in, but let me tell you something: You really are not.
I know I will be criticized and demonized publicly by many; however, I have the courage to say what, in my opinion, I feel is right and what is wrong. Many physicians are afraid to do so, and, like sheep, will comply with your misguided opinions. I truly do not mean any disrespect to your knowledge and good intentions. I just think that enough is enough!
Gabriel G. Hakim, MD
Waterbury, Connecticut
Dr. Barbieri responds
In response to my editorial on the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) recommendation that chaperones be present for intimate examinations (ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796), Dr. Hakim outlines many concerns with the rapidly evolving practice of medicine.1 I am confident that the ACOG Committee on Ethics wisely considered the benefits, costs, and unintended consequences of the recommendation. The United States Veterans Administration, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, and the American College Health Association endorse a similar recommendation. I do not think the distinguished members of the committees who issued the recommendation “live in la-la land.”
Reference
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics. Sexual misconduct: ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796. Obstet Gynecol. 2020;135:e43-e50.
OBG Manag. 2020 November; 32(11).
The Fetal Pillow: A new option for delivering the deeply impacted fetal head
Robert L. Barbieri, MD
(Editorial; July 2020)
Alternative option to the Fetal Pillow
I enjoyed Dr. Barbieri’s editorial on the Fetal Pillow. I worry, however, that applying high air pressure to the upper vagina could result in an air embolism.
I have experienced good results using a vacuum cup. Like the pillow, it distributes the force more evenly than a hand. Also, the handle makes elevation of the vertex much less awkward and allows elevation to a higher station. Whatever approach is employed, using an open internal monitor catheter allows for a gentler procedure than when brute force alone is used to “break the seal” to allow ingress of air into the uterine cavity (at just 1 atmosphere of pressure).
John H. Sand, MD
Ellensburg, Washington
Cost of device must be considered
The information on the Fetal Pillow in Dr. Barbieri’s timely editorial, while limited in scope, does make the device look like a promising option.
One of my institution’s biggest issues relates to cost. We have had some interest in incorporating the Fetal Pillow into our practice, and we have been quoted a rate of about $600.00 per device. I had our Fetal Pillow representative look into reimbursement and have been informed that, at least in our region, there has been no reimbursement for the cost.
When I look at the cost of a hospital stay for a normal spontaneous vaginal delivery (NSVD), the cost of the Fetal Pillow would actually add 15% to 20% to that stay. Now, one must consider also the cost of extension of the uterine incision versus the cost of the Fetal Pillow. When we did a superficial look at when the Fetal Pillow might be used versus how many uterine extensions we experienced, the cost of the Fetal Pillow over a year far exceeded the cost of the uterine extensions. Without reimbursement, this appeared unsustainable. It has been interesting as some sites had no awareness of cost and the fact that essentially “the system” was absorbing those costs.
This issue is worthy of thought but likely one that most obstetricians will not consider.
Casey Morris, MD
Downers Grove, Illinois
Tip for dislodging the fetal head
I read Dr. Barbieri’s editorial regarding the Fetal Pillow and would like to share my experience. Over the last 30 years, I have used a simple trick. After entering the pelvic cavity, we push on the lower uterine segment toward the fundus prior to uterine incision. This helps dislodge the fetal head. Occasionally, you can feel the “pop” when the suction is broken, which sets the head free. We then proceed with the uterine incision and delivery of the head. We have had great success over the years, and the poor nurse does not have to go under the drapes.
Walter Kobasa Jr, MD
Wilmington, Delaware
Dr. Barbieri responds
I appreciate the recommendations and insights of Drs. Sand, Morris, and Kobasa. As I mentioned in the editorial on the Fetal Pillow, there are many clinical pearls about management of a second stage, deep-transverse cephalic arrest at the time of cesarean delivery, including to extend or T the uterine incision, push with a hand from below, reverse breech extraction, use a Coyne spoon, administer nitroglycerine or terbutaline, break the vaginal suction before attempting delivery, and incise a Bandl ring. Dr. Sand adds vaginal placement of a vacuum cup to our armamentarium, and Dr. Kobasa recommends dislodging the fetal head with a push on the lower uterine segment before making the hysterotomy incision. I thank Dr. Morris for correcting my failure to report the cost of the Fetal Pillow, reporting a quoted price of $600 for each Fetal Pillow. I agree with Dr. Morris that physicians have an important responsibility to be good stewards of health care resources and weigh the benefits and costs of our decisions.
Continue to: In your practice, are you planning to have a chaperone present for all intimate examinations?
In your practice, are you planning to have a chaperone present for all intimate examinations?
Robert L. Barbieri, MD
(Editorial; June 2020)
Enough is enough
I have always thought that many doctors who write opinions and pontificate about what should be done in practice live in la-la land. This editorial, for me, confirms it.
I personally am becoming tired of all this: dividing the specialty into obstetricians and gynecologists; pelvic exams are not necessary during annual visits; HPV testing by patients at home; doing away with Pap smears; Pap smears are not necessary for patients after a certain age; scribes in your footsteps to document all findings in the EMR; heaven forbid you do not ask the patient if she has a fire extinguisher in her house or some other stupid information; interpreters for people who speak Mongolian because their partner should not be used to interpret for them; and so on.
Now you want us to have a chaperone for every pelvic exam! Not any chaperone, but a specialized one! You worry about the sanctity and privacy of the patient but now have 2 additional people in the room for the patient’s exam. First, most patients prefer to have the least number of people looking at their bodies during an exam, especially a pelvic exam. Second, where do we get the money to support all of this? Does this type of policy make any sense? Are lawyers now controlling what medical care is all about? Is that what is now considered quality medical care?
By the way, I am not a burned out physician. I use common sense and consider what is best for my patients in everything that I do. If a patient requests a chaperone, my medical assistant will come to the room and provide that service. You do not need to be specialized to provide this service! Ivory tower people have lost all common sense. You consider yourselves the authorities in whatever medical field you specialize in, but let me tell you something: You really are not.
I know I will be criticized and demonized publicly by many; however, I have the courage to say what, in my opinion, I feel is right and what is wrong. Many physicians are afraid to do so, and, like sheep, will comply with your misguided opinions. I truly do not mean any disrespect to your knowledge and good intentions. I just think that enough is enough!
Gabriel G. Hakim, MD
Waterbury, Connecticut
Dr. Barbieri responds
In response to my editorial on the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) recommendation that chaperones be present for intimate examinations (ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796), Dr. Hakim outlines many concerns with the rapidly evolving practice of medicine.1 I am confident that the ACOG Committee on Ethics wisely considered the benefits, costs, and unintended consequences of the recommendation. The United States Veterans Administration, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, and the American College Health Association endorse a similar recommendation. I do not think the distinguished members of the committees who issued the recommendation “live in la-la land.”
Reference
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics. Sexual misconduct: ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796. Obstet Gynecol. 2020;135:e43-e50.
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics. Sexual misconduct: ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796. Obstet Gynecol. 2020;135:e43-e50.
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics. Sexual misconduct: ACOG Committee Opinion No. 796. Obstet Gynecol. 2020;135:e43-e50.