Upfront Transplants in Patients With Mantle Cell Lymphoma

What is your outlook on the role of upfront autologous stem cell transplant (ASCT) for patients with mantle cell lymphoma (MCL)?

Dr. Barrientos: Most of the data that we have for upfront ASCT for young patients in frontline therapy come from the era when we did not use rituximab, and the data have not kept up with the pace of all the recent advances. Rituximab has changed the way we approach maintenance therapy after induction therapy. No randomized controlled trial data (in regimens that incorporate rituximab and cytarabine) have demonstrated a benefit in overall survival (OS) with ASCT in the modern era.

There is a lot to consider for every patient with MCL before we start therapy or discuss upfront transplant. MCL is one of these non-Hodgkin lymphomas that unfortunately can be aggressive in some patients depending on their prognostic markers and particular clinical features of the disease. Some patients have a more indolent form, whereas others have a more aggressive presentation at the time of diagnosis. The disease is heterogeneous and will respond differently to certain regimens. For example, patients with MCL who have a high proliferation rate, blastoid morphology, multiple chromosomal aberrations, complex karyotype, and/or the presence of tumor suppressor protein P53 (TP53) mutation will likely have a more aggressive course. Fitness for transplant is also an important consideration regardless of age; that is, a patient with comorbid end-stage chronic kidney or liver disease will not be able to tolerate a transplant.

Even with optimal therapy that incorporates rituximab and cytarabine, pursuing a transplant does not necessarily benefit survival in patients with a known TP53 mutation, as these patients typically experience increased toxicity without improved OS. We know they will not respond well, and we should discuss the available data so that the patients can make a sound decision and consider participation in a clinical trial that incorporates novel agents. Another type of mutation—cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor 2A (CDKN2A)—also has lower OS. Concurrent deletion of CDKN2A and TP53 aberration (deletion and/or mutation) are known to be associated with lower OS given their chemoresistant nature. Patients with these genetic mutations should not be offered standard ASCT, but rather they should be identified early on and prioritized to participate in clinical trials.

Importantly, the role of upfront ASCT is changing right now, based on a recent trial that was presented at the latest American Society of Hematology meeting in 2022. The TRIANGLE trial demonstrated the addition of ibrutinib (a first-generation Bruton tyrosine kinase [BTK] inhibitor) to standard chemoimmunotherapy induction and 2 years of ibrutinib maintenance can improve outcomes vs standard chemoimmunotherapy induction and ASCT alone for younger patients with MCL. However, longer follow-up is needed to fully elucidate the role of ASCT in the era of BTK inhibitors when incorporated early on into the treatment paradigm.

The TRIANGLE trial was an international, randomized 3-arm phase 3 trial (EudraCT-no. 2014-001363-12) for young (up to 65 years) fit patients with histologically confirmed, untreated, advanced stage II-IV MCL. In the control arm A, patients received an alternating R-CHOP/R-DHAP induction followed by myeloablative consolidation (ASCT). In arm A+I, ibrutinib was added to the R-CHOP cycles (560 mg day 1-19) and was applied as maintenance (continuous dosing) for 2 years. In arm I, the same induction and maintenance was applied but high-dose consolidation and ASCT was skipped. A rituximab maintenance (single doses every 2 months for up to 3 years) was allowed to be added in all study arms according to national clinical routine.

The study showed that failure-free survival at 3 years was 72% with chemotherapy alone, 86% with ibrutinib alone, and 88% with ibrutinib plus ASCT. However, the ibrutinib plus ASCT group seemed to have much more toxicity, comorbidities, and other complications from the transplant. The OS data are not mature yet, but looking at the available data, ibrutinib alone might be more beneficial to our patients— not only in terms of efficacy, but also in tolerability and response, with less toxicity over time.

To put things in perspective, we did not have good salvage therapies a decade ago. At the time ASCT was incorporated, it was a good option that allowed numerous patients to achieve a deep response with durable remission duration. Before ibrutinib was approved, the overall response rate for the best salvage therapies was not as encouraging as the initial therapy and, with each relapse, the duration of response shortened. When ibrutinib came along, the overall response rate improved significantly. But again, these patients had relapsed/refractory disease. Researchers have been investigating what would happen if we used such a drug in earlier lines of therapy. Can we get better outcomes? Can we get patients in remission longer, similar to what we have seen with ASCT, but without the ASCT?

There has never been a single modern trial that has demonstrated that transplant improves survival. Transplantation can improve progression-free survival, but not OS. For a disease for which we do not have a cure, if we can keep patients in remission with a good salvage therapy and give them a better quality of life, without subjecting them to an ASCT, then I might choose that. New targeted agents and novel therapies are in clinical development all the time, so the future is bright for patients with this diagnosis. Given the novel salvage therapies in the pipeline, we may be able to no longer recommend ASCT upfront for most patients soon.

Can you share more about the potential benefits of using salvage therapies over ASCT, and particularly any promising newer agents in the salvage therapy setting?

Dr. Barrientos: Recently we had the FDA approval of pirtobrutinib—a noncovalently bound BTK inhibitor—for patients with relapsed/refractory MCL in whom at least 2 lines of systemic therapy had failed, including another BTK inhibitor. In the trial that led to the accelerated approval, pirtobrutinib-treated patients showed an overall response rate of 50% in those who received the drug at 200 mg daily (n = 120); most of the responses were partial responses. The efficacy of other novel drugs are being studied in patients with MCL. For example, ROR1 (receptor tyrosine kinase–like orphan receptor 1) inhibitors and BTK degraders are currently in clinical trials. Chimeric antigen receptor (CAR) T-cell therapy targeting CD19 has been approved for the treatment of adult patients with relapsed or refractory MCL, and this may be an option for some patients.

Multiple novel agents might be able to salvage our patients without subjecting them to an upfront transplant. My hope is to get away from using the intense chemotherapy regimens that might cause myelosuppression, infection risk, or other toxicities, and try to stay with the novel agents. We need to do better for our patients.

Based on the data we now have, until there is a trial that demonstrates a higher OS rate with ASCT, it is hard for me to tell a patient to blindly pursue ASCT without learning more about all the available options. If you have access to a good salvage therapy, especially with all these new promising agents, a patient might be able to stay in remission without having ASCT, which can still have an increased risk of morbidity.

Are there certain patient groups that should never be considered for ASCT?

Dr. Barrientos: Younger patients with the CDKN2A gene—which represents about 22% of patients—and those who have a TP53 mutation should not be considered for a standard transplant because they have a worse outcome independent of the treatment. I would also include complex karyotype patients because of the same nature of the chromosomal aberrations. The more genetic aberrations that a patient has, the more likelihood that any chemotherapy will damage the DNA further and create a more aggressive clone. Instead, I would recommend that young patients in this category participate in a clinical trial with novel agents.

With novel therapies in the pipeline, the availability of CAR T, and now the bispecific antibodies such as blinatumomab and HexAbs coming along, the number of patients who may opt out of ASCT may increase. I have a long discussion with my patients. The more educated they are, the better it is for the patient. At the end of the day, the most important thing for me, with any therapy, is: how does the patient feel? Because if we cannot cure a patient or provide a survival advantage, I do not want to give that patient something that will decrease their quality of life. I would rather keep the patient in some sort of stable disease remission, comfortable, and having a good quality of life. That is my goal for anyone who cannot be cured. Now if it is a curable disease, like a diffuse large cell lymphoma or a Burkitt’s lymphoma, then it is a different story. But for people with MCL, a disease that you cannot cure, or chronic lymphocytic leukemia or follicular lymphoma, then it becomes a different discussion. Undetectable minimal residual disease correlates with longer remission durations, but sometimes trying to achieve that, you can actually do a lot of harm to some patients.

Are there any other conversations you have with your patients in day-to-day practice?

Dr. Barrientos: I always tell my patients to be on top of the age-appropriate cancer screening recommendations. For example, they should see a dermatologist once a year. Men should make sure that their prostate is checked. I recommend women get breast mammograms, Pap smears, and most importantly to avoid smoking—and that includes vaping. It is important to lead a healthy life to minimize the risk of secondary malignancies.

For risk of infections, I recommend to all my patients to be up to date on their vaccinations, such as pneumonia if they are older than 65, Shingrix for prevention of reactivation of varicella or chickenpox, and the flu shot once a year. I also recommend the COVID-19 vaccine even now, as our patients with blood disorders might have a harder time fighting COVID-19 infection. I always tell my patients to please reach out to us because we can discuss the use of antivirals such as Paxlovid (nirmatrelvir/ritonavir), and if they are sick, then they can get remdesivir in the hospital.

I want to touch on health literacy and disparities for a moment. I have some younger patients who are Latin or Black with uncontrolled hypertension or diabetes, even at a young age, and do not realize that I can treat their cancer into remission, but if their blood glucose is in the 500 range, they could die from their diabetes. So talking with patients about their overall health is important. Survivorship issues are important, especially if patients are diagnosed at a young age. We have known for a long time that chemotherapy can create cardiac events, arrhythmias, and heart disease. Therefore, I always tell patients with metabolic syndrome to try to exercise and eat healthy. Patients should get an electrocardiogram and see an internist at least once a year to make sure their cholesterol is well controlled. I think now we are being more cognizant that many complications can happen even 10 years after cancer treatment.

What is your outlook on the role of upfront autologous stem cell transplant (ASCT) for patients with mantle cell lymphoma (MCL)?

Dr. Barrientos: Most of the data that we have for upfront ASCT for young patients in frontline therapy come from the era when we did not use rituximab, and the data have not kept up with the pace of all the recent advances. Rituximab has changed the way we approach maintenance therapy after induction therapy. No randomized controlled trial data (in regimens that incorporate rituximab and cytarabine) have demonstrated a benefit in overall survival (OS) with ASCT in the modern era.

There is a lot to consider for every patient with MCL before we start therapy or discuss upfront transplant. MCL is one of these non-Hodgkin lymphomas that unfortunately can be aggressive in some patients depending on their prognostic markers and particular clinical features of the disease. Some patients have a more indolent form, whereas others have a more aggressive presentation at the time of diagnosis. The disease is heterogeneous and will respond differently to certain regimens. For example, patients with MCL who have a high proliferation rate, blastoid morphology, multiple chromosomal aberrations, complex karyotype, and/or the presence of tumor suppressor protein P53 (TP53) mutation will likely have a more aggressive course. Fitness for transplant is also an important consideration regardless of age; that is, a patient with comorbid end-stage chronic kidney or liver disease will not be able to tolerate a transplant.

Even with optimal therapy that incorporates rituximab and cytarabine, pursuing a transplant does not necessarily benefit survival in patients with a known TP53 mutation, as these patients typically experience increased toxicity without improved OS. We know they will not respond well, and we should discuss the available data so that the patients can make a sound decision and consider participation in a clinical trial that incorporates novel agents. Another type of mutation—cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor 2A (CDKN2A)—also has lower OS. Concurrent deletion of CDKN2A and TP53 aberration (deletion and/or mutation) are known to be associated with lower OS given their chemoresistant nature. Patients with these genetic mutations should not be offered standard ASCT, but rather they should be identified early on and prioritized to participate in clinical trials.

Importantly, the role of upfront ASCT is changing right now, based on a recent trial that was presented at the latest American Society of Hematology meeting in 2022. The TRIANGLE trial demonstrated the addition of ibrutinib (a first-generation Bruton tyrosine kinase [BTK] inhibitor) to standard chemoimmunotherapy induction and 2 years of ibrutinib maintenance can improve outcomes vs standard chemoimmunotherapy induction and ASCT alone for younger patients with MCL. However, longer follow-up is needed to fully elucidate the role of ASCT in the era of BTK inhibitors when incorporated early on into the treatment paradigm.

The TRIANGLE trial was an international, randomized 3-arm phase 3 trial (EudraCT-no. 2014-001363-12) for young (up to 65 years) fit patients with histologically confirmed, untreated, advanced stage II-IV MCL. In the control arm A, patients received an alternating R-CHOP/R-DHAP induction followed by myeloablative consolidation (ASCT). In arm A+I, ibrutinib was added to the R-CHOP cycles (560 mg day 1-19) and was applied as maintenance (continuous dosing) for 2 years. In arm I, the same induction and maintenance was applied but high-dose consolidation and ASCT was skipped. A rituximab maintenance (single doses every 2 months for up to 3 years) was allowed to be added in all study arms according to national clinical routine.

The study showed that failure-free survival at 3 years was 72% with chemotherapy alone, 86% with ibrutinib alone, and 88% with ibrutinib plus ASCT. However, the ibrutinib plus ASCT group seemed to have much more toxicity, comorbidities, and other complications from the transplant. The OS data are not mature yet, but looking at the available data, ibrutinib alone might be more beneficial to our patients— not only in terms of efficacy, but also in tolerability and response, with less toxicity over time.

To put things in perspective, we did not have good salvage therapies a decade ago. At the time ASCT was incorporated, it was a good option that allowed numerous patients to achieve a deep response with durable remission duration. Before ibrutinib was approved, the overall response rate for the best salvage therapies was not as encouraging as the initial therapy and, with each relapse, the duration of response shortened. When ibrutinib came along, the overall response rate improved significantly. But again, these patients had relapsed/refractory disease. Researchers have been investigating what would happen if we used such a drug in earlier lines of therapy. Can we get better outcomes? Can we get patients in remission longer, similar to what we have seen with ASCT, but without the ASCT?

There has never been a single modern trial that has demonstrated that transplant improves survival. Transplantation can improve progression-free survival, but not OS. For a disease for which we do not have a cure, if we can keep patients in remission with a good salvage therapy and give them a better quality of life, without subjecting them to an ASCT, then I might choose that. New targeted agents and novel therapies are in clinical development all the time, so the future is bright for patients with this diagnosis. Given the novel salvage therapies in the pipeline, we may be able to no longer recommend ASCT upfront for most patients soon.

Can you share more about the potential benefits of using salvage therapies over ASCT, and particularly any promising newer agents in the salvage therapy setting?

Dr. Barrientos: Recently we had the FDA approval of pirtobrutinib—a noncovalently bound BTK inhibitor—for patients with relapsed/refractory MCL in whom at least 2 lines of systemic therapy had failed, including another BTK inhibitor. In the trial that led to the accelerated approval, pirtobrutinib-treated patients showed an overall response rate of 50% in those who received the drug at 200 mg daily (n = 120); most of the responses were partial responses. The efficacy of other novel drugs are being studied in patients with MCL. For example, ROR1 (receptor tyrosine kinase–like orphan receptor 1) inhibitors and BTK degraders are currently in clinical trials. Chimeric antigen receptor (CAR) T-cell therapy targeting CD19 has been approved for the treatment of adult patients with relapsed or refractory MCL, and this may be an option for some patients.

Multiple novel agents might be able to salvage our patients without subjecting them to an upfront transplant. My hope is to get away from using the intense chemotherapy regimens that might cause myelosuppression, infection risk, or other toxicities, and try to stay with the novel agents. We need to do better for our patients.

Based on the data we now have, until there is a trial that demonstrates a higher OS rate with ASCT, it is hard for me to tell a patient to blindly pursue ASCT without learning more about all the available options. If you have access to a good salvage therapy, especially with all these new promising agents, a patient might be able to stay in remission without having ASCT, which can still have an increased risk of morbidity.

Are there certain patient groups that should never be considered for ASCT?

Dr. Barrientos: Younger patients with the CDKN2A gene—which represents about 22% of patients—and those who have a TP53 mutation should not be considered for a standard transplant because they have a worse outcome independent of the treatment. I would also include complex karyotype patients because of the same nature of the chromosomal aberrations. The more genetic aberrations that a patient has, the more likelihood that any chemotherapy will damage the DNA further and create a more aggressive clone. Instead, I would recommend that young patients in this category participate in a clinical trial with novel agents.

With novel therapies in the pipeline, the availability of CAR T, and now the bispecific antibodies such as blinatumomab and HexAbs coming along, the number of patients who may opt out of ASCT may increase. I have a long discussion with my patients. The more educated they are, the better it is for the patient. At the end of the day, the most important thing for me, with any therapy, is: how does the patient feel? Because if we cannot cure a patient or provide a survival advantage, I do not want to give that patient something that will decrease their quality of life. I would rather keep the patient in some sort of stable disease remission, comfortable, and having a good quality of life. That is my goal for anyone who cannot be cured. Now if it is a curable disease, like a diffuse large cell lymphoma or a Burkitt’s lymphoma, then it is a different story. But for people with MCL, a disease that you cannot cure, or chronic lymphocytic leukemia or follicular lymphoma, then it becomes a different discussion. Undetectable minimal residual disease correlates with longer remission durations, but sometimes trying to achieve that, you can actually do a lot of harm to some patients.

Are there any other conversations you have with your patients in day-to-day practice?

Dr. Barrientos: I always tell my patients to be on top of the age-appropriate cancer screening recommendations. For example, they should see a dermatologist once a year. Men should make sure that their prostate is checked. I recommend women get breast mammograms, Pap smears, and most importantly to avoid smoking—and that includes vaping. It is important to lead a healthy life to minimize the risk of secondary malignancies.

For risk of infections, I recommend to all my patients to be up to date on their vaccinations, such as pneumonia if they are older than 65, Shingrix for prevention of reactivation of varicella or chickenpox, and the flu shot once a year. I also recommend the COVID-19 vaccine even now, as our patients with blood disorders might have a harder time fighting COVID-19 infection. I always tell my patients to please reach out to us because we can discuss the use of antivirals such as Paxlovid (nirmatrelvir/ritonavir), and if they are sick, then they can get remdesivir in the hospital.

I want to touch on health literacy and disparities for a moment. I have some younger patients who are Latin or Black with uncontrolled hypertension or diabetes, even at a young age, and do not realize that I can treat their cancer into remission, but if their blood glucose is in the 500 range, they could die from their diabetes. So talking with patients about their overall health is important. Survivorship issues are important, especially if patients are diagnosed at a young age. We have known for a long time that chemotherapy can create cardiac events, arrhythmias, and heart disease. Therefore, I always tell patients with metabolic syndrome to try to exercise and eat healthy. Patients should get an electrocardiogram and see an internist at least once a year to make sure their cholesterol is well controlled. I think now we are being more cognizant that many complications can happen even 10 years after cancer treatment.

What is your outlook on the role of upfront autologous stem cell transplant (ASCT) for patients with mantle cell lymphoma (MCL)?

Dr. Barrientos: Most of the data that we have for upfront ASCT for young patients in frontline therapy come from the era when we did not use rituximab, and the data have not kept up with the pace of all the recent advances. Rituximab has changed the way we approach maintenance therapy after induction therapy. No randomized controlled trial data (in regimens that incorporate rituximab and cytarabine) have demonstrated a benefit in overall survival (OS) with ASCT in the modern era.

There is a lot to consider for every patient with MCL before we start therapy or discuss upfront transplant. MCL is one of these non-Hodgkin lymphomas that unfortunately can be aggressive in some patients depending on their prognostic markers and particular clinical features of the disease. Some patients have a more indolent form, whereas others have a more aggressive presentation at the time of diagnosis. The disease is heterogeneous and will respond differently to certain regimens. For example, patients with MCL who have a high proliferation rate, blastoid morphology, multiple chromosomal aberrations, complex karyotype, and/or the presence of tumor suppressor protein P53 (TP53) mutation will likely have a more aggressive course. Fitness for transplant is also an important consideration regardless of age; that is, a patient with comorbid end-stage chronic kidney or liver disease will not be able to tolerate a transplant.

Even with optimal therapy that incorporates rituximab and cytarabine, pursuing a transplant does not necessarily benefit survival in patients with a known TP53 mutation, as these patients typically experience increased toxicity without improved OS. We know they will not respond well, and we should discuss the available data so that the patients can make a sound decision and consider participation in a clinical trial that incorporates novel agents. Another type of mutation—cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor 2A (CDKN2A)—also has lower OS. Concurrent deletion of CDKN2A and TP53 aberration (deletion and/or mutation) are known to be associated with lower OS given their chemoresistant nature. Patients with these genetic mutations should not be offered standard ASCT, but rather they should be identified early on and prioritized to participate in clinical trials.

Importantly, the role of upfront ASCT is changing right now, based on a recent trial that was presented at the latest American Society of Hematology meeting in 2022. The TRIANGLE trial demonstrated the addition of ibrutinib (a first-generation Bruton tyrosine kinase [BTK] inhibitor) to standard chemoimmunotherapy induction and 2 years of ibrutinib maintenance can improve outcomes vs standard chemoimmunotherapy induction and ASCT alone for younger patients with MCL. However, longer follow-up is needed to fully elucidate the role of ASCT in the era of BTK inhibitors when incorporated early on into the treatment paradigm.

The TRIANGLE trial was an international, randomized 3-arm phase 3 trial (EudraCT-no. 2014-001363-12) for young (up to 65 years) fit patients with histologically confirmed, untreated, advanced stage II-IV MCL. In the control arm A, patients received an alternating R-CHOP/R-DHAP induction followed by myeloablative consolidation (ASCT). In arm A+I, ibrutinib was added to the R-CHOP cycles (560 mg day 1-19) and was applied as maintenance (continuous dosing) for 2 years. In arm I, the same induction and maintenance was applied but high-dose consolidation and ASCT was skipped. A rituximab maintenance (single doses every 2 months for up to 3 years) was allowed to be added in all study arms according to national clinical routine.

The study showed that failure-free survival at 3 years was 72% with chemotherapy alone, 86% with ibrutinib alone, and 88% with ibrutinib plus ASCT. However, the ibrutinib plus ASCT group seemed to have much more toxicity, comorbidities, and other complications from the transplant. The OS data are not mature yet, but looking at the available data, ibrutinib alone might be more beneficial to our patients— not only in terms of efficacy, but also in tolerability and response, with less toxicity over time.

To put things in perspective, we did not have good salvage therapies a decade ago. At the time ASCT was incorporated, it was a good option that allowed numerous patients to achieve a deep response with durable remission duration. Before ibrutinib was approved, the overall response rate for the best salvage therapies was not as encouraging as the initial therapy and, with each relapse, the duration of response shortened. When ibrutinib came along, the overall response rate improved significantly. But again, these patients had relapsed/refractory disease. Researchers have been investigating what would happen if we used such a drug in earlier lines of therapy. Can we get better outcomes? Can we get patients in remission longer, similar to what we have seen with ASCT, but without the ASCT?

There has never been a single modern trial that has demonstrated that transplant improves survival. Transplantation can improve progression-free survival, but not OS. For a disease for which we do not have a cure, if we can keep patients in remission with a good salvage therapy and give them a better quality of life, without subjecting them to an ASCT, then I might choose that. New targeted agents and novel therapies are in clinical development all the time, so the future is bright for patients with this diagnosis. Given the novel salvage therapies in the pipeline, we may be able to no longer recommend ASCT upfront for most patients soon.

Can you share more about the potential benefits of using salvage therapies over ASCT, and particularly any promising newer agents in the salvage therapy setting?

Dr. Barrientos: Recently we had the FDA approval of pirtobrutinib—a noncovalently bound BTK inhibitor—for patients with relapsed/refractory MCL in whom at least 2 lines of systemic therapy had failed, including another BTK inhibitor. In the trial that led to the accelerated approval, pirtobrutinib-treated patients showed an overall response rate of 50% in those who received the drug at 200 mg daily (n = 120); most of the responses were partial responses. The efficacy of other novel drugs are being studied in patients with MCL. For example, ROR1 (receptor tyrosine kinase–like orphan receptor 1) inhibitors and BTK degraders are currently in clinical trials. Chimeric antigen receptor (CAR) T-cell therapy targeting CD19 has been approved for the treatment of adult patients with relapsed or refractory MCL, and this may be an option for some patients.

Multiple novel agents might be able to salvage our patients without subjecting them to an upfront transplant. My hope is to get away from using the intense chemotherapy regimens that might cause myelosuppression, infection risk, or other toxicities, and try to stay with the novel agents. We need to do better for our patients.

Based on the data we now have, until there is a trial that demonstrates a higher OS rate with ASCT, it is hard for me to tell a patient to blindly pursue ASCT without learning more about all the available options. If you have access to a good salvage therapy, especially with all these new promising agents, a patient might be able to stay in remission without having ASCT, which can still have an increased risk of morbidity.

Are there certain patient groups that should never be considered for ASCT?

Dr. Barrientos: Younger patients with the CDKN2A gene—which represents about 22% of patients—and those who have a TP53 mutation should not be considered for a standard transplant because they have a worse outcome independent of the treatment. I would also include complex karyotype patients because of the same nature of the chromosomal aberrations. The more genetic aberrations that a patient has, the more likelihood that any chemotherapy will damage the DNA further and create a more aggressive clone. Instead, I would recommend that young patients in this category participate in a clinical trial with novel agents.

With novel therapies in the pipeline, the availability of CAR T, and now the bispecific antibodies such as blinatumomab and HexAbs coming along, the number of patients who may opt out of ASCT may increase. I have a long discussion with my patients. The more educated they are, the better it is for the patient. At the end of the day, the most important thing for me, with any therapy, is: how does the patient feel? Because if we cannot cure a patient or provide a survival advantage, I do not want to give that patient something that will decrease their quality of life. I would rather keep the patient in some sort of stable disease remission, comfortable, and having a good quality of life. That is my goal for anyone who cannot be cured. Now if it is a curable disease, like a diffuse large cell lymphoma or a Burkitt’s lymphoma, then it is a different story. But for people with MCL, a disease that you cannot cure, or chronic lymphocytic leukemia or follicular lymphoma, then it becomes a different discussion. Undetectable minimal residual disease correlates with longer remission durations, but sometimes trying to achieve that, you can actually do a lot of harm to some patients.

Are there any other conversations you have with your patients in day-to-day practice?

Dr. Barrientos: I always tell my patients to be on top of the age-appropriate cancer screening recommendations. For example, they should see a dermatologist once a year. Men should make sure that their prostate is checked. I recommend women get breast mammograms, Pap smears, and most importantly to avoid smoking—and that includes vaping. It is important to lead a healthy life to minimize the risk of secondary malignancies.

For risk of infections, I recommend to all my patients to be up to date on their vaccinations, such as pneumonia if they are older than 65, Shingrix for prevention of reactivation of varicella or chickenpox, and the flu shot once a year. I also recommend the COVID-19 vaccine even now, as our patients with blood disorders might have a harder time fighting COVID-19 infection. I always tell my patients to please reach out to us because we can discuss the use of antivirals such as Paxlovid (nirmatrelvir/ritonavir), and if they are sick, then they can get remdesivir in the hospital.

I want to touch on health literacy and disparities for a moment. I have some younger patients who are Latin or Black with uncontrolled hypertension or diabetes, even at a young age, and do not realize that I can treat their cancer into remission, but if their blood glucose is in the 500 range, they could die from their diabetes. So talking with patients about their overall health is important. Survivorship issues are important, especially if patients are diagnosed at a young age. We have known for a long time that chemotherapy can create cardiac events, arrhythmias, and heart disease. Therefore, I always tell patients with metabolic syndrome to try to exercise and eat healthy. Patients should get an electrocardiogram and see an internist at least once a year to make sure their cholesterol is well controlled. I think now we are being more cognizant that many complications can happen even 10 years after cancer treatment.