Expert Interview

When prescribing glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1) medications, many physicians prefer tirzepatide over the more well-known semaglutide due to its superior efficacy in weight loss and A1c reduction. Studies indicated that tirzepatide can lead to greater weight loss than semaglutide.

Factors like insurance coverage, drug availability, and side effects also influence physicians’ choices, with some patients benefiting from the broader dosing options that tirzepatide offers.

In this Q&A, Medscape Medical News explored how physicians can make the best decisions with their patients when choosing between GLP-1 medications tirzepatide and semaglutide for the treatment for type 2 diabetes and obesity.

We spoke to physicians who specialize in medical weight loss on things to consider when choosing between these two medications, such as patient profiles, drug access and availability, and financial considerations. We also discussed the side effect profiles of the medications based on current data in the literature.
 

Medscape Medical News: How are you deciding which of the two drugs to prescribe?

Caroline Messer, MD, endocrinologist at Lenox Hill Hospital, Northwell, New York City: To some degree, it’s based on insurance. But in general, I’m pushing most patients toward tirzepatide just because the data show that there’s more weight loss and more A1c reduction on tirzepatide. But the research shows that there are more side effects. But I think every practicing clinician who uses these medications knows that there are actually fewer side effects despite what the trial showed.

Sue Decotiis, MD, weight loss doctor, New York City: I think that many doctors that are prescribing these drugs are not really weight loss specialists. It’s just like one of many drugs that they prescribe. And semaglutide (Ozempic) is more well known. I think it’s because they don’t really know that it’s not as good as the other drugs. There are still massive shortages of these drugs. So that’s another reason why a doctor may choose one drug over another. Also, if a patient’s reliant on insurance to cover it, they may go with whatever the insurance company is willing to cover.

Kathleen Dungan, MD, professor of internal medicine, Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Metabolism, The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and College of Medicine: Some patients may have preferences with the delivery device. In the past year, in particular, availability of these drugs was limited and varied from time to time and geographically, and therefore, patients needed to substitute one drug for another in order to maintain treatment.

Maria Teresa Anton, MD, endocrinologist and educator, Pritikin Longevity Center, Miami: While I do not prescribe these medications, I do focus on integrating them into a comprehensive lifestyle program that empowers patients to make sustainable changes. By fostering an environment of education and support, we enhance their well-being and promote long-term health outcomes. In my practice, I’ve found that the most successful outcomes occur when these medications are combined with a comprehensive approach, including dietary changes, physical activity, and behavioral support.
 

Medscape Medical News: How do you make the decision of tirzepatide vs semaglutide?

Messer: There’s no guideline per se. Sometimes when I don’t want a patient to lose too much weight, I might consider Ozempic or Wegovy if you know they only have 5 lb to lose. If diabetes, then I might go for the Ozempic instead, just because the weight loss is so drastic with tirzepatide with any kind of appetite.

Decotiis: If somebody has a lot of weight to lose and they’re highly insulin resistant, as most people are when they start these drugs, I really prefer tirzepatide ... because I think patients are going to lose more weight, they’re going to lose more fat. I also see that patients have less side effects because before tirzepatide came out, I was prescribing mostly semaglutide, and there were a lot of side effects. But semaglutide is fine. I mean, it’s a good drug. Maybe it’s better for people that don’t have as much weight to lose. So I don’t have to worry about them hitting that wall after a certain period of time. But it’s a good drug. I mean, I certainly still use it.
 

Medscape Medical News: What of the data and the literature on the differences in the outcomes and the side effect profile?

Messer: In terms of outcomes, the weight loss is almost double [with tirzepatide]. It depends what trial you’re looking at, but we tend to see like about 15% of your body weight you lose with the semaglutide and 25%-30% with the tirzepatide. The big difference, I suppose…is semaglutide now has a cardiovascular indication and the tirzepatide doesn’t, but I’m very confident that tirzepatide is going to get the same indication.

Decotiis: When that first Lilly study came out in June of 2022, it really blew everybody away. I mean, some patients lost up to 25% of their weight on tirzepatide, whereas on Ozempic, it was really like 15%. Now, in my practice, I really monitor everyone with a body composition scale. I’m not just looking at somebody’s weight or body mass index, I am looking at how much body fat they have, how much muscle mass they have, how much water they have, and how much bone they have.

The golden rule here is make sure the patient loses fat, and you want to make sure they’re not losing muscle or too much water. The patient really needs to be adequately hydrated. So what I’m saying is a lot of people who have lost weight have not reached the promised land because they haven’t lost enough body fat to get them into that healthy zone. But once they reduce the body fat to a certain percentage, let’s say for a woman about 20%, or a man in the low teens, they’re less likely to regain that weight because they haven’t really lost fat. And that’s how we gain health.
 

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

When prescribing glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1) medications, many physicians prefer tirzepatide over the more well-known semaglutide due to its superior efficacy in weight loss and A1c reduction. Studies indicated that tirzepatide can lead to greater weight loss than semaglutide.

Factors like insurance coverage, drug availability, and side effects also influence physicians’ choices, with some patients benefiting from the broader dosing options that tirzepatide offers.

In this Q&A, Medscape Medical News explored how physicians can make the best decisions with their patients when choosing between GLP-1 medications tirzepatide and semaglutide for the treatment for type 2 diabetes and obesity.

We spoke to physicians who specialize in medical weight loss on things to consider when choosing between these two medications, such as patient profiles, drug access and availability, and financial considerations. We also discussed the side effect profiles of the medications based on current data in the literature.
 

Medscape Medical News: How are you deciding which of the two drugs to prescribe?

Caroline Messer, MD, endocrinologist at Lenox Hill Hospital, Northwell, New York City: To some degree, it’s based on insurance. But in general, I’m pushing most patients toward tirzepatide just because the data show that there’s more weight loss and more A1c reduction on tirzepatide. But the research shows that there are more side effects. But I think every practicing clinician who uses these medications knows that there are actually fewer side effects despite what the trial showed.

Sue Decotiis, MD, weight loss doctor, New York City: I think that many doctors that are prescribing these drugs are not really weight loss specialists. It’s just like one of many drugs that they prescribe. And semaglutide (Ozempic) is more well known. I think it’s because they don’t really know that it’s not as good as the other drugs. There are still massive shortages of these drugs. So that’s another reason why a doctor may choose one drug over another. Also, if a patient’s reliant on insurance to cover it, they may go with whatever the insurance company is willing to cover.

Kathleen Dungan, MD, professor of internal medicine, Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Metabolism, The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and College of Medicine: Some patients may have preferences with the delivery device. In the past year, in particular, availability of these drugs was limited and varied from time to time and geographically, and therefore, patients needed to substitute one drug for another in order to maintain treatment.

Maria Teresa Anton, MD, endocrinologist and educator, Pritikin Longevity Center, Miami: While I do not prescribe these medications, I do focus on integrating them into a comprehensive lifestyle program that empowers patients to make sustainable changes. By fostering an environment of education and support, we enhance their well-being and promote long-term health outcomes. In my practice, I’ve found that the most successful outcomes occur when these medications are combined with a comprehensive approach, including dietary changes, physical activity, and behavioral support.
 

Medscape Medical News: How do you make the decision of tirzepatide vs semaglutide?

Messer: There’s no guideline per se. Sometimes when I don’t want a patient to lose too much weight, I might consider Ozempic or Wegovy if you know they only have 5 lb to lose. If diabetes, then I might go for the Ozempic instead, just because the weight loss is so drastic with tirzepatide with any kind of appetite.

Decotiis: If somebody has a lot of weight to lose and they’re highly insulin resistant, as most people are when they start these drugs, I really prefer tirzepatide ... because I think patients are going to lose more weight, they’re going to lose more fat. I also see that patients have less side effects because before tirzepatide came out, I was prescribing mostly semaglutide, and there were a lot of side effects. But semaglutide is fine. I mean, it’s a good drug. Maybe it’s better for people that don’t have as much weight to lose. So I don’t have to worry about them hitting that wall after a certain period of time. But it’s a good drug. I mean, I certainly still use it.
 

Medscape Medical News: What of the data and the literature on the differences in the outcomes and the side effect profile?

Messer: In terms of outcomes, the weight loss is almost double [with tirzepatide]. It depends what trial you’re looking at, but we tend to see like about 15% of your body weight you lose with the semaglutide and 25%-30% with the tirzepatide. The big difference, I suppose…is semaglutide now has a cardiovascular indication and the tirzepatide doesn’t, but I’m very confident that tirzepatide is going to get the same indication.

Decotiis: When that first Lilly study came out in June of 2022, it really blew everybody away. I mean, some patients lost up to 25% of their weight on tirzepatide, whereas on Ozempic, it was really like 15%. Now, in my practice, I really monitor everyone with a body composition scale. I’m not just looking at somebody’s weight or body mass index, I am looking at how much body fat they have, how much muscle mass they have, how much water they have, and how much bone they have.

The golden rule here is make sure the patient loses fat, and you want to make sure they’re not losing muscle or too much water. The patient really needs to be adequately hydrated. So what I’m saying is a lot of people who have lost weight have not reached the promised land because they haven’t lost enough body fat to get them into that healthy zone. But once they reduce the body fat to a certain percentage, let’s say for a woman about 20%, or a man in the low teens, they’re less likely to regain that weight because they haven’t really lost fat. And that’s how we gain health.
 

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

When prescribing glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1) medications, many physicians prefer tirzepatide over the more well-known semaglutide due to its superior efficacy in weight loss and A1c reduction. Studies indicated that tirzepatide can lead to greater weight loss than semaglutide.

Factors like insurance coverage, drug availability, and side effects also influence physicians’ choices, with some patients benefiting from the broader dosing options that tirzepatide offers.

In this Q&A, Medscape Medical News explored how physicians can make the best decisions with their patients when choosing between GLP-1 medications tirzepatide and semaglutide for the treatment for type 2 diabetes and obesity.

We spoke to physicians who specialize in medical weight loss on things to consider when choosing between these two medications, such as patient profiles, drug access and availability, and financial considerations. We also discussed the side effect profiles of the medications based on current data in the literature.
 

Medscape Medical News: How are you deciding which of the two drugs to prescribe?

Caroline Messer, MD, endocrinologist at Lenox Hill Hospital, Northwell, New York City: To some degree, it’s based on insurance. But in general, I’m pushing most patients toward tirzepatide just because the data show that there’s more weight loss and more A1c reduction on tirzepatide. But the research shows that there are more side effects. But I think every practicing clinician who uses these medications knows that there are actually fewer side effects despite what the trial showed.

Sue Decotiis, MD, weight loss doctor, New York City: I think that many doctors that are prescribing these drugs are not really weight loss specialists. It’s just like one of many drugs that they prescribe. And semaglutide (Ozempic) is more well known. I think it’s because they don’t really know that it’s not as good as the other drugs. There are still massive shortages of these drugs. So that’s another reason why a doctor may choose one drug over another. Also, if a patient’s reliant on insurance to cover it, they may go with whatever the insurance company is willing to cover.

Kathleen Dungan, MD, professor of internal medicine, Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Metabolism, The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and College of Medicine: Some patients may have preferences with the delivery device. In the past year, in particular, availability of these drugs was limited and varied from time to time and geographically, and therefore, patients needed to substitute one drug for another in order to maintain treatment.

Maria Teresa Anton, MD, endocrinologist and educator, Pritikin Longevity Center, Miami: While I do not prescribe these medications, I do focus on integrating them into a comprehensive lifestyle program that empowers patients to make sustainable changes. By fostering an environment of education and support, we enhance their well-being and promote long-term health outcomes. In my practice, I’ve found that the most successful outcomes occur when these medications are combined with a comprehensive approach, including dietary changes, physical activity, and behavioral support.
 

Medscape Medical News: How do you make the decision of tirzepatide vs semaglutide?

Messer: There’s no guideline per se. Sometimes when I don’t want a patient to lose too much weight, I might consider Ozempic or Wegovy if you know they only have 5 lb to lose. If diabetes, then I might go for the Ozempic instead, just because the weight loss is so drastic with tirzepatide with any kind of appetite.

Decotiis: If somebody has a lot of weight to lose and they’re highly insulin resistant, as most people are when they start these drugs, I really prefer tirzepatide ... because I think patients are going to lose more weight, they’re going to lose more fat. I also see that patients have less side effects because before tirzepatide came out, I was prescribing mostly semaglutide, and there were a lot of side effects. But semaglutide is fine. I mean, it’s a good drug. Maybe it’s better for people that don’t have as much weight to lose. So I don’t have to worry about them hitting that wall after a certain period of time. But it’s a good drug. I mean, I certainly still use it.
 

Medscape Medical News: What of the data and the literature on the differences in the outcomes and the side effect profile?

Messer: In terms of outcomes, the weight loss is almost double [with tirzepatide]. It depends what trial you’re looking at, but we tend to see like about 15% of your body weight you lose with the semaglutide and 25%-30% with the tirzepatide. The big difference, I suppose…is semaglutide now has a cardiovascular indication and the tirzepatide doesn’t, but I’m very confident that tirzepatide is going to get the same indication.

Decotiis: When that first Lilly study came out in June of 2022, it really blew everybody away. I mean, some patients lost up to 25% of their weight on tirzepatide, whereas on Ozempic, it was really like 15%. Now, in my practice, I really monitor everyone with a body composition scale. I’m not just looking at somebody’s weight or body mass index, I am looking at how much body fat they have, how much muscle mass they have, how much water they have, and how much bone they have.

The golden rule here is make sure the patient loses fat, and you want to make sure they’re not losing muscle or too much water. The patient really needs to be adequately hydrated. So what I’m saying is a lot of people who have lost weight have not reached the promised land because they haven’t lost enough body fat to get them into that healthy zone. But once they reduce the body fat to a certain percentage, let’s say for a woman about 20%, or a man in the low teens, they’re less likely to regain that weight because they haven’t really lost fat. And that’s how we gain health.
 

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

This transcript has been edited for clarity.

Rachel S. Rubin, MD: I’m Dr. Rachel Rubin, a urologist and sexual medicine specialist in the Washington, DC, area. And I am so thrilled because my co-fellow, the brilliant and famous Dr. Ashley Winter, a board-certified urologist and a certified menopause practitioner, who sees patients in our practice from Los Angeles, is joining us today to talk about sex as a vital sign.

Ashley Winter, MD: To have the best sexual function, you need many different systems to work. You need your hormones to be in the right place. You need your blood vessels to dilate when you want them to. You need your nerves to connect to your genitalia to make them responsive. The way people say, “The eyes are the window into the soul” — well, the genitals are the window into the cardiovascular system, the peripheral nervous system, and the hormonal system. It’s so dynamic. Patients can understand how this reflects their health. We just need healthcare providers to hammer home how those things connect.

Rubin: If you’re a primary care doctor seeing a patient and you want to educate them on diabetes or high blood pressure, how can you “ ‘sell it with ‘sex”? How can you use sex to educate them about these important medical conditions?

Winter: I hate using it as a fear tactic, but sometimes you have to. Time and again, I’ve seen men with severe profound erectile dysfunction at a young age, with chronically uncontrolled diabetes.

Diabetes can impair the peripheral nerves, resulting in peripheral neuropathy. The same way that it can affect the fingers and toes, diabetes can affect the penis, even before those other areas. Diabetes can also lead to other conditions such as low testosterone, which also affects the function of the penis.

I’m being brutally honest when I tell patients that diabetes control is critical to having a wonderful sexspan — the duration of your life where you’re able to be sexually active and have great sex and do it in the way that you want.

Chronic conditions such as high cholesterol or hypertension can affect your ability to become erect or aroused whether you have a penis or a vulva, and even your ability to have an orgasm.

Rubin: None of my doctors has ever asked me about these issues. But we have to bring them up with patients because they›re not going to bring them up to us. I always say in the review of systems, we shouldn›t just ask, “Do you have any sexual problems?” (which nobody ever does) and move past the question about men, women or both. We should be asking, “Do you have any issues with libido? Do you want to talk about it? Any issues with erection, arousal, orgasm, or sexual pain?”

When you can talk about those things, you can treat the patient from a whole physiologic perspective. For example, how does their sciatica affect their sexual pain? How does their antidepressant cause a delayed orgasm? How does their low testosterone level affect their energy level, their libido, and their desire? 

We see so much shame and guilt in sexual health, to the extent that patients feel broken. We can help them understand the anatomy and physiology and explain that they aren’t broken. Instead, it’s “You need this medicine for your crippling anxiety, and that’s why your orgasm is delayed, and so can we augment it or add or subtract something to help you with it.”

Winter: In a primary care setting, where we are considering the patient›s overall health, we strive for medication compliance, but a huge part of medication noncompliance is sexual side effects, whether it›s antidepressants, beta-blockers, birth control, or this new world of GLP-1 agonists.

Rubin: I would add breast cancer treatments. Many patients go off their anastrozole or their tamoxifen because of the sexual side effects. 

Winter: This is where we get to the crux of this discussion about sex being a vital sign — something you need to check routinely. We need to become comfortable with it, because then we are unlocking the ability to treat every patient like a whole person, give them better outcomes, improve their compliance, and have a really powerful tool for education.

Rubin: We have a growing toolbox for all genders when it comes to sexual health. We have FDA- approved medications for low libido in women. We use testosterone in men in an evidence-based way to safely improve libido. We use medications to help with the genitourinary syndrome of menopause. Orgasm is a challenging one, but we have devices that can help with those reflexes. And working with people who specialize in sexual pain can be extremely helpful for patients.

Dr. Winter, having practiced in different settings, what would you tell the primary care doctors who don’t want to talk about libido or who minimize sexual complaints because they don’t know how to navigate them?

Winter: I do not envy the challenge of being a primary care provider in the healthcare world we are living in. I think it is the hardest job. The ultimate takeaway is to just normalize the conversation and be able to validate what is happening. Have a few basic tools, and then have referrals. It›s not that you have to have all the time in the world or you have to treat every condition, but you have to start the conversation, be comfortable with it, and then get patients hooked up with the right resources.

Rubin: Every doctor of every kind can connect with patients and try to understand what they care about. What are their goals? What do they want for their families, for their relationships, for their quality of life? And how can we work collaboratively as a team to help them with those things? 

Sex is a huge part of people’s lives. If we don’t ask about it; if we don’t look into it; and if we don’t admit that our physiology, our medications, and our surgeries can affect sexual health and functioning, how can we improve people’s lives? We can do so much as a team when we consider sex as a true vital sign.
 

Dr. Rubin, Assistant Clinical Professor, Department of Urology, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, has disclosed ties with Maternal Medical, Absorption Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, and Endo.

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

This transcript has been edited for clarity.

Rachel S. Rubin, MD: I’m Dr. Rachel Rubin, a urologist and sexual medicine specialist in the Washington, DC, area. And I am so thrilled because my co-fellow, the brilliant and famous Dr. Ashley Winter, a board-certified urologist and a certified menopause practitioner, who sees patients in our practice from Los Angeles, is joining us today to talk about sex as a vital sign.

Ashley Winter, MD: To have the best sexual function, you need many different systems to work. You need your hormones to be in the right place. You need your blood vessels to dilate when you want them to. You need your nerves to connect to your genitalia to make them responsive. The way people say, “The eyes are the window into the soul” — well, the genitals are the window into the cardiovascular system, the peripheral nervous system, and the hormonal system. It’s so dynamic. Patients can understand how this reflects their health. We just need healthcare providers to hammer home how those things connect.

Rubin: If you’re a primary care doctor seeing a patient and you want to educate them on diabetes or high blood pressure, how can you “ ‘sell it with ‘sex”? How can you use sex to educate them about these important medical conditions?

Winter: I hate using it as a fear tactic, but sometimes you have to. Time and again, I’ve seen men with severe profound erectile dysfunction at a young age, with chronically uncontrolled diabetes.

Diabetes can impair the peripheral nerves, resulting in peripheral neuropathy. The same way that it can affect the fingers and toes, diabetes can affect the penis, even before those other areas. Diabetes can also lead to other conditions such as low testosterone, which also affects the function of the penis.

I’m being brutally honest when I tell patients that diabetes control is critical to having a wonderful sexspan — the duration of your life where you’re able to be sexually active and have great sex and do it in the way that you want.

Chronic conditions such as high cholesterol or hypertension can affect your ability to become erect or aroused whether you have a penis or a vulva, and even your ability to have an orgasm.

Rubin: None of my doctors has ever asked me about these issues. But we have to bring them up with patients because they›re not going to bring them up to us. I always say in the review of systems, we shouldn›t just ask, “Do you have any sexual problems?” (which nobody ever does) and move past the question about men, women or both. We should be asking, “Do you have any issues with libido? Do you want to talk about it? Any issues with erection, arousal, orgasm, or sexual pain?”

When you can talk about those things, you can treat the patient from a whole physiologic perspective. For example, how does their sciatica affect their sexual pain? How does their antidepressant cause a delayed orgasm? How does their low testosterone level affect their energy level, their libido, and their desire? 

We see so much shame and guilt in sexual health, to the extent that patients feel broken. We can help them understand the anatomy and physiology and explain that they aren’t broken. Instead, it’s “You need this medicine for your crippling anxiety, and that’s why your orgasm is delayed, and so can we augment it or add or subtract something to help you with it.”

Winter: In a primary care setting, where we are considering the patient›s overall health, we strive for medication compliance, but a huge part of medication noncompliance is sexual side effects, whether it›s antidepressants, beta-blockers, birth control, or this new world of GLP-1 agonists.

Rubin: I would add breast cancer treatments. Many patients go off their anastrozole or their tamoxifen because of the sexual side effects. 

Winter: This is where we get to the crux of this discussion about sex being a vital sign — something you need to check routinely. We need to become comfortable with it, because then we are unlocking the ability to treat every patient like a whole person, give them better outcomes, improve their compliance, and have a really powerful tool for education.

Rubin: We have a growing toolbox for all genders when it comes to sexual health. We have FDA- approved medications for low libido in women. We use testosterone in men in an evidence-based way to safely improve libido. We use medications to help with the genitourinary syndrome of menopause. Orgasm is a challenging one, but we have devices that can help with those reflexes. And working with people who specialize in sexual pain can be extremely helpful for patients.

Dr. Winter, having practiced in different settings, what would you tell the primary care doctors who don’t want to talk about libido or who minimize sexual complaints because they don’t know how to navigate them?

Winter: I do not envy the challenge of being a primary care provider in the healthcare world we are living in. I think it is the hardest job. The ultimate takeaway is to just normalize the conversation and be able to validate what is happening. Have a few basic tools, and then have referrals. It›s not that you have to have all the time in the world or you have to treat every condition, but you have to start the conversation, be comfortable with it, and then get patients hooked up with the right resources.

Rubin: Every doctor of every kind can connect with patients and try to understand what they care about. What are their goals? What do they want for their families, for their relationships, for their quality of life? And how can we work collaboratively as a team to help them with those things? 

Sex is a huge part of people’s lives. If we don’t ask about it; if we don’t look into it; and if we don’t admit that our physiology, our medications, and our surgeries can affect sexual health and functioning, how can we improve people’s lives? We can do so much as a team when we consider sex as a true vital sign.
 

Dr. Rubin, Assistant Clinical Professor, Department of Urology, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, has disclosed ties with Maternal Medical, Absorption Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, and Endo.

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

This transcript has been edited for clarity.

Rachel S. Rubin, MD: I’m Dr. Rachel Rubin, a urologist and sexual medicine specialist in the Washington, DC, area. And I am so thrilled because my co-fellow, the brilliant and famous Dr. Ashley Winter, a board-certified urologist and a certified menopause practitioner, who sees patients in our practice from Los Angeles, is joining us today to talk about sex as a vital sign.

Ashley Winter, MD: To have the best sexual function, you need many different systems to work. You need your hormones to be in the right place. You need your blood vessels to dilate when you want them to. You need your nerves to connect to your genitalia to make them responsive. The way people say, “The eyes are the window into the soul” — well, the genitals are the window into the cardiovascular system, the peripheral nervous system, and the hormonal system. It’s so dynamic. Patients can understand how this reflects their health. We just need healthcare providers to hammer home how those things connect.

Rubin: If you’re a primary care doctor seeing a patient and you want to educate them on diabetes or high blood pressure, how can you “ ‘sell it with ‘sex”? How can you use sex to educate them about these important medical conditions?

Winter: I hate using it as a fear tactic, but sometimes you have to. Time and again, I’ve seen men with severe profound erectile dysfunction at a young age, with chronically uncontrolled diabetes.

Diabetes can impair the peripheral nerves, resulting in peripheral neuropathy. The same way that it can affect the fingers and toes, diabetes can affect the penis, even before those other areas. Diabetes can also lead to other conditions such as low testosterone, which also affects the function of the penis.

I’m being brutally honest when I tell patients that diabetes control is critical to having a wonderful sexspan — the duration of your life where you’re able to be sexually active and have great sex and do it in the way that you want.

Chronic conditions such as high cholesterol or hypertension can affect your ability to become erect or aroused whether you have a penis or a vulva, and even your ability to have an orgasm.

Rubin: None of my doctors has ever asked me about these issues. But we have to bring them up with patients because they›re not going to bring them up to us. I always say in the review of systems, we shouldn›t just ask, “Do you have any sexual problems?” (which nobody ever does) and move past the question about men, women or both. We should be asking, “Do you have any issues with libido? Do you want to talk about it? Any issues with erection, arousal, orgasm, or sexual pain?”

When you can talk about those things, you can treat the patient from a whole physiologic perspective. For example, how does their sciatica affect their sexual pain? How does their antidepressant cause a delayed orgasm? How does their low testosterone level affect their energy level, their libido, and their desire? 

We see so much shame and guilt in sexual health, to the extent that patients feel broken. We can help them understand the anatomy and physiology and explain that they aren’t broken. Instead, it’s “You need this medicine for your crippling anxiety, and that’s why your orgasm is delayed, and so can we augment it or add or subtract something to help you with it.”

Winter: In a primary care setting, where we are considering the patient›s overall health, we strive for medication compliance, but a huge part of medication noncompliance is sexual side effects, whether it›s antidepressants, beta-blockers, birth control, or this new world of GLP-1 agonists.

Rubin: I would add breast cancer treatments. Many patients go off their anastrozole or their tamoxifen because of the sexual side effects. 

Winter: This is where we get to the crux of this discussion about sex being a vital sign — something you need to check routinely. We need to become comfortable with it, because then we are unlocking the ability to treat every patient like a whole person, give them better outcomes, improve their compliance, and have a really powerful tool for education.

Rubin: We have a growing toolbox for all genders when it comes to sexual health. We have FDA- approved medications for low libido in women. We use testosterone in men in an evidence-based way to safely improve libido. We use medications to help with the genitourinary syndrome of menopause. Orgasm is a challenging one, but we have devices that can help with those reflexes. And working with people who specialize in sexual pain can be extremely helpful for patients.

Dr. Winter, having practiced in different settings, what would you tell the primary care doctors who don’t want to talk about libido or who minimize sexual complaints because they don’t know how to navigate them?

Winter: I do not envy the challenge of being a primary care provider in the healthcare world we are living in. I think it is the hardest job. The ultimate takeaway is to just normalize the conversation and be able to validate what is happening. Have a few basic tools, and then have referrals. It›s not that you have to have all the time in the world or you have to treat every condition, but you have to start the conversation, be comfortable with it, and then get patients hooked up with the right resources.

Rubin: Every doctor of every kind can connect with patients and try to understand what they care about. What are their goals? What do they want for their families, for their relationships, for their quality of life? And how can we work collaboratively as a team to help them with those things? 

Sex is a huge part of people’s lives. If we don’t ask about it; if we don’t look into it; and if we don’t admit that our physiology, our medications, and our surgeries can affect sexual health and functioning, how can we improve people’s lives? We can do so much as a team when we consider sex as a true vital sign.
 

Dr. Rubin, Assistant Clinical Professor, Department of Urology, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, has disclosed ties with Maternal Medical, Absorption Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, and Endo.

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

Common complaints of abdominal pain, fever, shortness of breath, or rash can signal more serious disease that should be referred to specialty care or might be related to benign conditions.

Combine the vague nature of many patients’ descriptions and the pressure of short visits, and clinicians have a recipe for all manner of diagnostic error.

An estimated 5% of US adults who seek outpatient care each year experience a diagnostic error. Most Americans will eventually have this experience, according to a 2015 report from the National Academy of Medicine.

The most frequently missed diagnoses in primary care involve conditions such as pneumonia, decompensated heart failure, acute renal failure, cancer, urinary tract infection, and pyelonephritis.

“It’s not one or two or three types of diagnosis that are missed: We miss a lot of things, especially in primary care,” said Hardeep Singh, MD, MPH, a patient safety researcher at the Michael E. DeBakey VA Medical Center and the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas.

One of the most serious errors is to miss cancer, with failing to follow‐up on abnormal tests ranking consistently as one of the leading causes of malpractice claims. But most diagnostic errors do not lead to lawsuits, although they often result in missed and delayed opportunities for patients to get needed care.

In interviews with this news organization, experts who have studied the root causes of diagnostic error suggested primary care clinicians focus on several practices to avoid mistakes: Ask questions with humility and curiosity, use checklists, and brainstorm with patients the potential root cause of symptoms.
 

Humility and Curiosity 

Clinicians should remain aware of the potential for errors and reach out for assistance when needed, keeping an open mind that common symptoms may, in rare cases, signal serious illness, Dr. Singh said.

Dr. Singh recommends continual review with what he calls “byte-sized” learning through digital tools such as the Human Diagnosis app and podcasts and webinars offered by Clinical Problem Solvers.

Continuing education activities such as classes for Maintenance of Certification (MOC) can help keep physicians up to date and alert for cases where seemingly common symptoms may turn out to be something serious, said Richard M. Wardrop, III, MD, PhD, an internal medicine physician at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, and chair of the internal medicine board at the American Board of Internal Medicine.

“I’ve been in practice for 20 years. I’m double board certified in peds and medicine, and I regularly teach students and residents and mentor other physicians, but the further I go in my career and in practice, the more humble I become,” Dr. Wardrop told this news organization.

He said he recently spent a few hours on MOC for pediatrics and found the review was helpful in his practice in medicine.

“If I find myself taking care of a patient in a newborn nursery anytime soon, I’m going to understand the new hyperbilirubinemia guidelines,” Dr. Wardrop said. “That takes time and energy, but when I was done with the questions for this quarter, I felt good about myself.”
 

Checking It Twice

Clinicians should incorporate checklists into daily practice. Reviewing these with patients can not only help rule out an illness but also serve as a nonconfrontational method to inquire about issues patients may find uncomfortable, said John Ely, MD, MSPH, professor emeritus of family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine in Iowa City.

Clinicians could benefit from the approach used in aviation, where checklists are a required and routine part of a pilot’s job, Dr. Ely said.

Although clinicians may assume patients expect them to work from memory and knowledge without this aide, many will see using a checklist as a sign of providing thorough care, he said.

Checklists can also open a pathway for discussions about potentially difficult or touchy issues in short visits. For example, a patient might feel defensive if a clinician asks about depression during a visit for abdominal pain. But incorporating a question in a checklist allows for a different framing of the question.

“A clinician could say ‘I didn’t say you were depressed because of your abdominal pain, I brought it up because it’s on the list,’” Dr. Ely said. The checklist is “a very easy way to bring up those things.”

Dr. Ely said he has cared for a few patients who sought help for abdominal pain that turned out to be linked to sexual abuse in their past. Dr. Ely used a checklist with these patients to review possible causes for their illness. He recalled one of these patients who had suffered sexual abuse and had depression, neither of which was readily apparent.

“There was nothing about her affect that appeared to be depressed, and she had seen multiple physicians unable to make a diagnosis,” Dr. Ely said. “She had worked up for multiple other diseases and this had never come up before.”
 

Cooperation 

“Coproduction” is how Kathryn McDonald, PhD, describes an ideal path to getting an accurate diagnosis. The intent is for clinicians to enlist patients in helping them in finding the root cause of symptoms.

“It’s bringing the patient into knowing that they are in a partnership to coproduce, knowing that there is a process going on,” said Dr. McDonald, who is codirector of the Armstrong Institute Center for Diagnostic Excellence at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.

In many cases, patients seek reassurance for ruling out a suspected condition, which the physician can sometimes provide. In others, clinicians may not be able to offer a concrete diagnosis.

“There are times when uncertainty is more pervasive and I will ask patients, ‘Let’s brainstorm this together,’” Dr. Wardrop said.

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

Common complaints of abdominal pain, fever, shortness of breath, or rash can signal more serious disease that should be referred to specialty care or might be related to benign conditions.

Combine the vague nature of many patients’ descriptions and the pressure of short visits, and clinicians have a recipe for all manner of diagnostic error.

An estimated 5% of US adults who seek outpatient care each year experience a diagnostic error. Most Americans will eventually have this experience, according to a 2015 report from the National Academy of Medicine.

The most frequently missed diagnoses in primary care involve conditions such as pneumonia, decompensated heart failure, acute renal failure, cancer, urinary tract infection, and pyelonephritis.

“It’s not one or two or three types of diagnosis that are missed: We miss a lot of things, especially in primary care,” said Hardeep Singh, MD, MPH, a patient safety researcher at the Michael E. DeBakey VA Medical Center and the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas.

One of the most serious errors is to miss cancer, with failing to follow‐up on abnormal tests ranking consistently as one of the leading causes of malpractice claims. But most diagnostic errors do not lead to lawsuits, although they often result in missed and delayed opportunities for patients to get needed care.

In interviews with this news organization, experts who have studied the root causes of diagnostic error suggested primary care clinicians focus on several practices to avoid mistakes: Ask questions with humility and curiosity, use checklists, and brainstorm with patients the potential root cause of symptoms.
 

Humility and Curiosity 

Clinicians should remain aware of the potential for errors and reach out for assistance when needed, keeping an open mind that common symptoms may, in rare cases, signal serious illness, Dr. Singh said.

Dr. Singh recommends continual review with what he calls “byte-sized” learning through digital tools such as the Human Diagnosis app and podcasts and webinars offered by Clinical Problem Solvers.

Continuing education activities such as classes for Maintenance of Certification (MOC) can help keep physicians up to date and alert for cases where seemingly common symptoms may turn out to be something serious, said Richard M. Wardrop, III, MD, PhD, an internal medicine physician at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, and chair of the internal medicine board at the American Board of Internal Medicine.

“I’ve been in practice for 20 years. I’m double board certified in peds and medicine, and I regularly teach students and residents and mentor other physicians, but the further I go in my career and in practice, the more humble I become,” Dr. Wardrop told this news organization.

He said he recently spent a few hours on MOC for pediatrics and found the review was helpful in his practice in medicine.

“If I find myself taking care of a patient in a newborn nursery anytime soon, I’m going to understand the new hyperbilirubinemia guidelines,” Dr. Wardrop said. “That takes time and energy, but when I was done with the questions for this quarter, I felt good about myself.”
 

Checking It Twice

Clinicians should incorporate checklists into daily practice. Reviewing these with patients can not only help rule out an illness but also serve as a nonconfrontational method to inquire about issues patients may find uncomfortable, said John Ely, MD, MSPH, professor emeritus of family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine in Iowa City.

Clinicians could benefit from the approach used in aviation, where checklists are a required and routine part of a pilot’s job, Dr. Ely said.

Although clinicians may assume patients expect them to work from memory and knowledge without this aide, many will see using a checklist as a sign of providing thorough care, he said.

Checklists can also open a pathway for discussions about potentially difficult or touchy issues in short visits. For example, a patient might feel defensive if a clinician asks about depression during a visit for abdominal pain. But incorporating a question in a checklist allows for a different framing of the question.

“A clinician could say ‘I didn’t say you were depressed because of your abdominal pain, I brought it up because it’s on the list,’” Dr. Ely said. The checklist is “a very easy way to bring up those things.”

Dr. Ely said he has cared for a few patients who sought help for abdominal pain that turned out to be linked to sexual abuse in their past. Dr. Ely used a checklist with these patients to review possible causes for their illness. He recalled one of these patients who had suffered sexual abuse and had depression, neither of which was readily apparent.

“There was nothing about her affect that appeared to be depressed, and she had seen multiple physicians unable to make a diagnosis,” Dr. Ely said. “She had worked up for multiple other diseases and this had never come up before.”
 

Cooperation 

“Coproduction” is how Kathryn McDonald, PhD, describes an ideal path to getting an accurate diagnosis. The intent is for clinicians to enlist patients in helping them in finding the root cause of symptoms.

“It’s bringing the patient into knowing that they are in a partnership to coproduce, knowing that there is a process going on,” said Dr. McDonald, who is codirector of the Armstrong Institute Center for Diagnostic Excellence at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.

In many cases, patients seek reassurance for ruling out a suspected condition, which the physician can sometimes provide. In others, clinicians may not be able to offer a concrete diagnosis.

“There are times when uncertainty is more pervasive and I will ask patients, ‘Let’s brainstorm this together,’” Dr. Wardrop said.

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

Common complaints of abdominal pain, fever, shortness of breath, or rash can signal more serious disease that should be referred to specialty care or might be related to benign conditions.

Combine the vague nature of many patients’ descriptions and the pressure of short visits, and clinicians have a recipe for all manner of diagnostic error.

An estimated 5% of US adults who seek outpatient care each year experience a diagnostic error. Most Americans will eventually have this experience, according to a 2015 report from the National Academy of Medicine.

The most frequently missed diagnoses in primary care involve conditions such as pneumonia, decompensated heart failure, acute renal failure, cancer, urinary tract infection, and pyelonephritis.

“It’s not one or two or three types of diagnosis that are missed: We miss a lot of things, especially in primary care,” said Hardeep Singh, MD, MPH, a patient safety researcher at the Michael E. DeBakey VA Medical Center and the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas.

One of the most serious errors is to miss cancer, with failing to follow‐up on abnormal tests ranking consistently as one of the leading causes of malpractice claims. But most diagnostic errors do not lead to lawsuits, although they often result in missed and delayed opportunities for patients to get needed care.

In interviews with this news organization, experts who have studied the root causes of diagnostic error suggested primary care clinicians focus on several practices to avoid mistakes: Ask questions with humility and curiosity, use checklists, and brainstorm with patients the potential root cause of symptoms.
 

Humility and Curiosity 

Clinicians should remain aware of the potential for errors and reach out for assistance when needed, keeping an open mind that common symptoms may, in rare cases, signal serious illness, Dr. Singh said.

Dr. Singh recommends continual review with what he calls “byte-sized” learning through digital tools such as the Human Diagnosis app and podcasts and webinars offered by Clinical Problem Solvers.

Continuing education activities such as classes for Maintenance of Certification (MOC) can help keep physicians up to date and alert for cases where seemingly common symptoms may turn out to be something serious, said Richard M. Wardrop, III, MD, PhD, an internal medicine physician at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, and chair of the internal medicine board at the American Board of Internal Medicine.

“I’ve been in practice for 20 years. I’m double board certified in peds and medicine, and I regularly teach students and residents and mentor other physicians, but the further I go in my career and in practice, the more humble I become,” Dr. Wardrop told this news organization.

He said he recently spent a few hours on MOC for pediatrics and found the review was helpful in his practice in medicine.

“If I find myself taking care of a patient in a newborn nursery anytime soon, I’m going to understand the new hyperbilirubinemia guidelines,” Dr. Wardrop said. “That takes time and energy, but when I was done with the questions for this quarter, I felt good about myself.”
 

Checking It Twice

Clinicians should incorporate checklists into daily practice. Reviewing these with patients can not only help rule out an illness but also serve as a nonconfrontational method to inquire about issues patients may find uncomfortable, said John Ely, MD, MSPH, professor emeritus of family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine in Iowa City.

Clinicians could benefit from the approach used in aviation, where checklists are a required and routine part of a pilot’s job, Dr. Ely said.

Although clinicians may assume patients expect them to work from memory and knowledge without this aide, many will see using a checklist as a sign of providing thorough care, he said.

Checklists can also open a pathway for discussions about potentially difficult or touchy issues in short visits. For example, a patient might feel defensive if a clinician asks about depression during a visit for abdominal pain. But incorporating a question in a checklist allows for a different framing of the question.

“A clinician could say ‘I didn’t say you were depressed because of your abdominal pain, I brought it up because it’s on the list,’” Dr. Ely said. The checklist is “a very easy way to bring up those things.”

Dr. Ely said he has cared for a few patients who sought help for abdominal pain that turned out to be linked to sexual abuse in their past. Dr. Ely used a checklist with these patients to review possible causes for their illness. He recalled one of these patients who had suffered sexual abuse and had depression, neither of which was readily apparent.

“There was nothing about her affect that appeared to be depressed, and she had seen multiple physicians unable to make a diagnosis,” Dr. Ely said. “She had worked up for multiple other diseases and this had never come up before.”
 

Cooperation 

“Coproduction” is how Kathryn McDonald, PhD, describes an ideal path to getting an accurate diagnosis. The intent is for clinicians to enlist patients in helping them in finding the root cause of symptoms.

“It’s bringing the patient into knowing that they are in a partnership to coproduce, knowing that there is a process going on,” said Dr. McDonald, who is codirector of the Armstrong Institute Center for Diagnostic Excellence at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.

In many cases, patients seek reassurance for ruling out a suspected condition, which the physician can sometimes provide. In others, clinicians may not be able to offer a concrete diagnosis.

“There are times when uncertainty is more pervasive and I will ask patients, ‘Let’s brainstorm this together,’” Dr. Wardrop said.

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

If you’re like most primary care clinicians, your email inbox is flooded with messages from patients with questions about lab results. A common query: Should I be worried about an abnormal value on a test of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH)?

For guidance, this news organization spoke with Angela Leung, MD, associate professor of medicine in the Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes & Metabolism at the UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine and an endocrinologist at UCLA and the VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System, and Karen Tsai, MD, assistant clinical professor of endocrinology at City of Hope Comprehensive Cancer Center in Duarte, California. The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Question: Why do you usually start by measuring TSH levels?

Dr. Leung: We need to measure the thyroid status in a way that integrates more information about the long-term thyroid status and not small changes in thyroid hormone levels. TSH is made by the pituitary gland in the brain, which integrates information about the signals of high and low levels from each of the different thyroid hormones.

Now we can measure the actual thyroid hormones — primarily we’re talking about T3 and T4 — but if we do that, we are relying on a single snapshot in the bloodstream at that moment. The levels might change throughout the day in response to ongoing metabolism and outside stresses. So we usually start by measuring the TSH level, which is a good representation of the compilation of all those things over the past 30 days or so.

Question: How do you describe a low TSH result to patients?

Dr. Leung: Whenever we encounter a low TSH level, we want to repeat the test because it is a dynamic test, and it can change in response to several factors. If it is indeed low, we’re thinking that perhaps there’s a little bit of extra thyroid hormone in the body. It can be either temporary or more chronic, but that higher amount of thyroid hormone is telling the pituitary gland in the brain to start making less. So TSH levels go low when we need less thyroid hormone.

Question: What are some of the reasons for a low TSH level?

Dr. Leung: One of the most common situations for a temporarily low TSH level I see is what we call nonthyroidal illness, like a common cold or just being under the weather. Other things that can artifactually lower the TSH level could be the use of steroids, such as prednisone for asthma or some sort of a rheumatologic condition. Also, the TSH level could be low if a person has been recently exposed to very high amounts of iodine, such as iodinated contrast needed for a CT scan.

If the TSH level remains persistently low, usually in the presence of high thyroid hormone (T3 and/or T4) levels, the most common reason for hyperthyroidism is Graves disease, in which there are autoantibodies — measurable in the blood — that can stimulate the thyroid gland in the neck to make extra thyroid hormone.

Question: And what does an elevated TSH level mean?

Dr. Leung: Again, we want to confirm that it is elevated. We need at least two tests to confirm a high TSH level. A persistently elevated TSH level is a signal there might be low thyroid hormone levels in the body, which could be transient or more longer lasting.

Question: What are some of the most common causes of an elevated TSH level?

Dr. Leung: If the TSH level is confirmed high and the thyroid hormone levels are low, the most common cause of hypothyroidism here in the United States is Hashimoto thyroiditis.

Globally, iodine deficiency is the most common reason for hypothyroidism and may be a problem in parts of the globe where there are endemically low iodine levels in soil, crops, and the food supply like not having enough iodized salt. The thyroid is reliant on having enough iodine as a micronutrient to make thyroid hormone. If it doesn’t, the thyroid really can’t make thyroid hormone. It’s important to also remember, though, that having too much iodine can result in hypo- or hyperthyroidism.

Dr. Tsai: I take a glance at their medication list. Some of the patients are on methimazole or levothyroxine, and those medications should be adjusted first to normalize the TSH level. Other medications like lithium and amiodarone can also cause elevated TSH levels. We are also seeing a lot of patients on cancer therapies, such as tyrosine kinase inhibitors or immunotherapy, that can cause an elevated TSH level.

Question: If the repeat TSH test shows that TSH levels are still elevated, what comes next in your workup?

Dr. Tsai: If there’s not a real clear-cut diagnosis, I’ll order the thyroid peroxidase antibody and the thyroglobulin antibody, although thyroid peroxidase antibody, which is indicative of autoimmune thyroid disease, alone is usually sufficient to make that diagnosis.

Question: Should clinicians follow thyroid antibodies over time?

Dr. Tsai: I usually don’t repeat the antibody tests. In those circumstances where patients who were diagnosed 50-60 years ago and perhaps it is unknown if they had the thyroid antibodies measured at the time and now they’re saying, “Do I actually have Hashimoto’s?” or “Do I really need to continue this for the rest of my life?” I do repeat antibody tests to help gauge if the patient’s levothyroxine can be stopped.

Question: How important is it to follow T4 or T3 levels?

Dr. Tsai: T4 and T3 levels can help differentiate overt thyroid dysfunction — where T3 and/or T4 levels will be abnormal — from subclinical thyroid dysfunction — where T3 and T4 levels would be normal. In general, although we do not fully appreciate the best metric to monitor hypo- or hyperthyroidism, because some patients with a normal TSH level still may have symptoms of thyroid dysfunction, these peripheral thyroid hormone levels are usually the most helpful at the time of initial diagnosis.

Question: What are your criteria for initiating treatment for hypothyroidism?

Dr. Tsai: If the TSH level > 10 mIU/L, I recommend levothyroxine hormone replacement. A lot of published data support clinical benefit in this group.

There is a gray area in those patients who have a TSH level higher than the upper limit of the reference range but less than 10. If the patient doesn’t have overt hypothyroid symptoms, I discuss the findings with the patient but don’t really feel eager to treat. I recommend checking the levels again in 6 months to see where that TSH goes, and if it worsens or becomes greater than 10 mIU/L, I then recommend levothyroxine hormone replacement.

It is also important to note that a TSH level of 5-7 may be an acceptable range for older patients, and they do not require levothyroxine.

The other category is patients whose TSH level is greater than the upper limit of the normal reference range but less than 10 and with overt hypothyroid symptoms such as fatigue, unintentional weight gain, constipation, or cold intolerance. In these patients, it is worthwhile to try a low dose of levothyroxine (25-50 mcg/d) and repeat TSH and free T4 tests in 6-8 weeks and see if the TSH level normalizes.

Dr. Leung: When you look at subclinical hypothyroidism, the situation of an isolated high TSH level in the setting of normal T4 levels, if the TSH level is mildly elevated in the 5-7 mIU/L range, there’s a 60% chance that it will normalize within 6 months.

Going back to Karen’s point, a lot of people are started and maintained on low doses of thyroid hormone forever and ever. A recent study on levothyroxine use found half of the prescriptions were unnecessary.

Question: In an era where many patients obtain much of their health information from TikTok, what’s your approach with patients with a normal TSH level who feel that they should have more testing or start treatment?

Dr. Tsai: Fatigue is one of the common referrals we get into our endocrinology practice, and everyone is convinced that their thyroid is the culprit. It is important to note, however, that fatigue can be due to different diseases such as anemia, depression, sleep disorders, or a recent viral illness.

TSH tests are readily available and cheap. I don’t mind ordering the lab test again if it helps give the patient some reassurance. I also find that patients are relieved once they hear from their endocrinologist that their thyroid is unlikely to be the cause of their fatigue.

Some other endocrine causes we may consider additionally working up include adrenal insufficiency, vitamin D deficiency, and diabetes. A comprehensive metabolic panel and complete blood count is part of my workup to rule out any gross electrolyte abnormalities or any new diagnosis of anemia, liver disease, or chronic kidney disease.

Question: What are your criteria for recommending that someone see an endocrinologist?

Dr. Tsai: Our primary care colleagues can do a workup and interpretation of thyroid function tests in most cases. In the situations where the thyroid function test results are discordant (ie, elevated TSH and elevated free T4 levels or low TSH and low free T4 levels) or difficult to interpret, it would be appropriate to refer the patient to an endocrinologist.

One of the common referrals that we do get from the community is a patient’s thyroid function tests going from hyperthyroid to hypothyroid without a clear explanation or the patient is suboptimally controlled with levothyroxine or methimazole. In those circumstances, it would be worthwhile to send to an endocrinologist try to discern an underlying cause or for optimization of medication.

Dr. Leung and Dr. Tsai had no financial disclosures.
 

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

If you’re like most primary care clinicians, your email inbox is flooded with messages from patients with questions about lab results. A common query: Should I be worried about an abnormal value on a test of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH)?

For guidance, this news organization spoke with Angela Leung, MD, associate professor of medicine in the Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes & Metabolism at the UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine and an endocrinologist at UCLA and the VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System, and Karen Tsai, MD, assistant clinical professor of endocrinology at City of Hope Comprehensive Cancer Center in Duarte, California. The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Question: Why do you usually start by measuring TSH levels?

Dr. Leung: We need to measure the thyroid status in a way that integrates more information about the long-term thyroid status and not small changes in thyroid hormone levels. TSH is made by the pituitary gland in the brain, which integrates information about the signals of high and low levels from each of the different thyroid hormones.

Now we can measure the actual thyroid hormones — primarily we’re talking about T3 and T4 — but if we do that, we are relying on a single snapshot in the bloodstream at that moment. The levels might change throughout the day in response to ongoing metabolism and outside stresses. So we usually start by measuring the TSH level, which is a good representation of the compilation of all those things over the past 30 days or so.

Question: How do you describe a low TSH result to patients?

Dr. Leung: Whenever we encounter a low TSH level, we want to repeat the test because it is a dynamic test, and it can change in response to several factors. If it is indeed low, we’re thinking that perhaps there’s a little bit of extra thyroid hormone in the body. It can be either temporary or more chronic, but that higher amount of thyroid hormone is telling the pituitary gland in the brain to start making less. So TSH levels go low when we need less thyroid hormone.

Question: What are some of the reasons for a low TSH level?

Dr. Leung: One of the most common situations for a temporarily low TSH level I see is what we call nonthyroidal illness, like a common cold or just being under the weather. Other things that can artifactually lower the TSH level could be the use of steroids, such as prednisone for asthma or some sort of a rheumatologic condition. Also, the TSH level could be low if a person has been recently exposed to very high amounts of iodine, such as iodinated contrast needed for a CT scan.

If the TSH level remains persistently low, usually in the presence of high thyroid hormone (T3 and/or T4) levels, the most common reason for hyperthyroidism is Graves disease, in which there are autoantibodies — measurable in the blood — that can stimulate the thyroid gland in the neck to make extra thyroid hormone.

Question: And what does an elevated TSH level mean?

Dr. Leung: Again, we want to confirm that it is elevated. We need at least two tests to confirm a high TSH level. A persistently elevated TSH level is a signal there might be low thyroid hormone levels in the body, which could be transient or more longer lasting.

Question: What are some of the most common causes of an elevated TSH level?

Dr. Leung: If the TSH level is confirmed high and the thyroid hormone levels are low, the most common cause of hypothyroidism here in the United States is Hashimoto thyroiditis.

Globally, iodine deficiency is the most common reason for hypothyroidism and may be a problem in parts of the globe where there are endemically low iodine levels in soil, crops, and the food supply like not having enough iodized salt. The thyroid is reliant on having enough iodine as a micronutrient to make thyroid hormone. If it doesn’t, the thyroid really can’t make thyroid hormone. It’s important to also remember, though, that having too much iodine can result in hypo- or hyperthyroidism.

Dr. Tsai: I take a glance at their medication list. Some of the patients are on methimazole or levothyroxine, and those medications should be adjusted first to normalize the TSH level. Other medications like lithium and amiodarone can also cause elevated TSH levels. We are also seeing a lot of patients on cancer therapies, such as tyrosine kinase inhibitors or immunotherapy, that can cause an elevated TSH level.

Question: If the repeat TSH test shows that TSH levels are still elevated, what comes next in your workup?

Dr. Tsai: If there’s not a real clear-cut diagnosis, I’ll order the thyroid peroxidase antibody and the thyroglobulin antibody, although thyroid peroxidase antibody, which is indicative of autoimmune thyroid disease, alone is usually sufficient to make that diagnosis.

Question: Should clinicians follow thyroid antibodies over time?

Dr. Tsai: I usually don’t repeat the antibody tests. In those circumstances where patients who were diagnosed 50-60 years ago and perhaps it is unknown if they had the thyroid antibodies measured at the time and now they’re saying, “Do I actually have Hashimoto’s?” or “Do I really need to continue this for the rest of my life?” I do repeat antibody tests to help gauge if the patient’s levothyroxine can be stopped.

Question: How important is it to follow T4 or T3 levels?

Dr. Tsai: T4 and T3 levels can help differentiate overt thyroid dysfunction — where T3 and/or T4 levels will be abnormal — from subclinical thyroid dysfunction — where T3 and T4 levels would be normal. In general, although we do not fully appreciate the best metric to monitor hypo- or hyperthyroidism, because some patients with a normal TSH level still may have symptoms of thyroid dysfunction, these peripheral thyroid hormone levels are usually the most helpful at the time of initial diagnosis.

Question: What are your criteria for initiating treatment for hypothyroidism?

Dr. Tsai: If the TSH level > 10 mIU/L, I recommend levothyroxine hormone replacement. A lot of published data support clinical benefit in this group.

There is a gray area in those patients who have a TSH level higher than the upper limit of the reference range but less than 10. If the patient doesn’t have overt hypothyroid symptoms, I discuss the findings with the patient but don’t really feel eager to treat. I recommend checking the levels again in 6 months to see where that TSH goes, and if it worsens or becomes greater than 10 mIU/L, I then recommend levothyroxine hormone replacement.

It is also important to note that a TSH level of 5-7 may be an acceptable range for older patients, and they do not require levothyroxine.

The other category is patients whose TSH level is greater than the upper limit of the normal reference range but less than 10 and with overt hypothyroid symptoms such as fatigue, unintentional weight gain, constipation, or cold intolerance. In these patients, it is worthwhile to try a low dose of levothyroxine (25-50 mcg/d) and repeat TSH and free T4 tests in 6-8 weeks and see if the TSH level normalizes.

Dr. Leung: When you look at subclinical hypothyroidism, the situation of an isolated high TSH level in the setting of normal T4 levels, if the TSH level is mildly elevated in the 5-7 mIU/L range, there’s a 60% chance that it will normalize within 6 months.

Going back to Karen’s point, a lot of people are started and maintained on low doses of thyroid hormone forever and ever. A recent study on levothyroxine use found half of the prescriptions were unnecessary.

Question: In an era where many patients obtain much of their health information from TikTok, what’s your approach with patients with a normal TSH level who feel that they should have more testing or start treatment?

Dr. Tsai: Fatigue is one of the common referrals we get into our endocrinology practice, and everyone is convinced that their thyroid is the culprit. It is important to note, however, that fatigue can be due to different diseases such as anemia, depression, sleep disorders, or a recent viral illness.

TSH tests are readily available and cheap. I don’t mind ordering the lab test again if it helps give the patient some reassurance. I also find that patients are relieved once they hear from their endocrinologist that their thyroid is unlikely to be the cause of their fatigue.

Some other endocrine causes we may consider additionally working up include adrenal insufficiency, vitamin D deficiency, and diabetes. A comprehensive metabolic panel and complete blood count is part of my workup to rule out any gross electrolyte abnormalities or any new diagnosis of anemia, liver disease, or chronic kidney disease.

Question: What are your criteria for recommending that someone see an endocrinologist?

Dr. Tsai: Our primary care colleagues can do a workup and interpretation of thyroid function tests in most cases. In the situations where the thyroid function test results are discordant (ie, elevated TSH and elevated free T4 levels or low TSH and low free T4 levels) or difficult to interpret, it would be appropriate to refer the patient to an endocrinologist.

One of the common referrals that we do get from the community is a patient’s thyroid function tests going from hyperthyroid to hypothyroid without a clear explanation or the patient is suboptimally controlled with levothyroxine or methimazole. In those circumstances, it would be worthwhile to send to an endocrinologist try to discern an underlying cause or for optimization of medication.

Dr. Leung and Dr. Tsai had no financial disclosures.
 

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

If you’re like most primary care clinicians, your email inbox is flooded with messages from patients with questions about lab results. A common query: Should I be worried about an abnormal value on a test of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH)?

For guidance, this news organization spoke with Angela Leung, MD, associate professor of medicine in the Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes & Metabolism at the UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine and an endocrinologist at UCLA and the VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System, and Karen Tsai, MD, assistant clinical professor of endocrinology at City of Hope Comprehensive Cancer Center in Duarte, California. The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Question: Why do you usually start by measuring TSH levels?

Dr. Leung: We need to measure the thyroid status in a way that integrates more information about the long-term thyroid status and not small changes in thyroid hormone levels. TSH is made by the pituitary gland in the brain, which integrates information about the signals of high and low levels from each of the different thyroid hormones.

Now we can measure the actual thyroid hormones — primarily we’re talking about T3 and T4 — but if we do that, we are relying on a single snapshot in the bloodstream at that moment. The levels might change throughout the day in response to ongoing metabolism and outside stresses. So we usually start by measuring the TSH level, which is a good representation of the compilation of all those things over the past 30 days or so.

Question: How do you describe a low TSH result to patients?

Dr. Leung: Whenever we encounter a low TSH level, we want to repeat the test because it is a dynamic test, and it can change in response to several factors. If it is indeed low, we’re thinking that perhaps there’s a little bit of extra thyroid hormone in the body. It can be either temporary or more chronic, but that higher amount of thyroid hormone is telling the pituitary gland in the brain to start making less. So TSH levels go low when we need less thyroid hormone.

Question: What are some of the reasons for a low TSH level?

Dr. Leung: One of the most common situations for a temporarily low TSH level I see is what we call nonthyroidal illness, like a common cold or just being under the weather. Other things that can artifactually lower the TSH level could be the use of steroids, such as prednisone for asthma or some sort of a rheumatologic condition. Also, the TSH level could be low if a person has been recently exposed to very high amounts of iodine, such as iodinated contrast needed for a CT scan.

If the TSH level remains persistently low, usually in the presence of high thyroid hormone (T3 and/or T4) levels, the most common reason for hyperthyroidism is Graves disease, in which there are autoantibodies — measurable in the blood — that can stimulate the thyroid gland in the neck to make extra thyroid hormone.

Question: And what does an elevated TSH level mean?

Dr. Leung: Again, we want to confirm that it is elevated. We need at least two tests to confirm a high TSH level. A persistently elevated TSH level is a signal there might be low thyroid hormone levels in the body, which could be transient or more longer lasting.

Question: What are some of the most common causes of an elevated TSH level?

Dr. Leung: If the TSH level is confirmed high and the thyroid hormone levels are low, the most common cause of hypothyroidism here in the United States is Hashimoto thyroiditis.

Globally, iodine deficiency is the most common reason for hypothyroidism and may be a problem in parts of the globe where there are endemically low iodine levels in soil, crops, and the food supply like not having enough iodized salt. The thyroid is reliant on having enough iodine as a micronutrient to make thyroid hormone. If it doesn’t, the thyroid really can’t make thyroid hormone. It’s important to also remember, though, that having too much iodine can result in hypo- or hyperthyroidism.

Dr. Tsai: I take a glance at their medication list. Some of the patients are on methimazole or levothyroxine, and those medications should be adjusted first to normalize the TSH level. Other medications like lithium and amiodarone can also cause elevated TSH levels. We are also seeing a lot of patients on cancer therapies, such as tyrosine kinase inhibitors or immunotherapy, that can cause an elevated TSH level.

Question: If the repeat TSH test shows that TSH levels are still elevated, what comes next in your workup?

Dr. Tsai: If there’s not a real clear-cut diagnosis, I’ll order the thyroid peroxidase antibody and the thyroglobulin antibody, although thyroid peroxidase antibody, which is indicative of autoimmune thyroid disease, alone is usually sufficient to make that diagnosis.

Question: Should clinicians follow thyroid antibodies over time?

Dr. Tsai: I usually don’t repeat the antibody tests. In those circumstances where patients who were diagnosed 50-60 years ago and perhaps it is unknown if they had the thyroid antibodies measured at the time and now they’re saying, “Do I actually have Hashimoto’s?” or “Do I really need to continue this for the rest of my life?” I do repeat antibody tests to help gauge if the patient’s levothyroxine can be stopped.

Question: How important is it to follow T4 or T3 levels?

Dr. Tsai: T4 and T3 levels can help differentiate overt thyroid dysfunction — where T3 and/or T4 levels will be abnormal — from subclinical thyroid dysfunction — where T3 and T4 levels would be normal. In general, although we do not fully appreciate the best metric to monitor hypo- or hyperthyroidism, because some patients with a normal TSH level still may have symptoms of thyroid dysfunction, these peripheral thyroid hormone levels are usually the most helpful at the time of initial diagnosis.

Question: What are your criteria for initiating treatment for hypothyroidism?

Dr. Tsai: If the TSH level > 10 mIU/L, I recommend levothyroxine hormone replacement. A lot of published data support clinical benefit in this group.

There is a gray area in those patients who have a TSH level higher than the upper limit of the reference range but less than 10. If the patient doesn’t have overt hypothyroid symptoms, I discuss the findings with the patient but don’t really feel eager to treat. I recommend checking the levels again in 6 months to see where that TSH goes, and if it worsens or becomes greater than 10 mIU/L, I then recommend levothyroxine hormone replacement.

It is also important to note that a TSH level of 5-7 may be an acceptable range for older patients, and they do not require levothyroxine.

The other category is patients whose TSH level is greater than the upper limit of the normal reference range but less than 10 and with overt hypothyroid symptoms such as fatigue, unintentional weight gain, constipation, or cold intolerance. In these patients, it is worthwhile to try a low dose of levothyroxine (25-50 mcg/d) and repeat TSH and free T4 tests in 6-8 weeks and see if the TSH level normalizes.

Dr. Leung: When you look at subclinical hypothyroidism, the situation of an isolated high TSH level in the setting of normal T4 levels, if the TSH level is mildly elevated in the 5-7 mIU/L range, there’s a 60% chance that it will normalize within 6 months.

Going back to Karen’s point, a lot of people are started and maintained on low doses of thyroid hormone forever and ever. A recent study on levothyroxine use found half of the prescriptions were unnecessary.

Question: In an era where many patients obtain much of their health information from TikTok, what’s your approach with patients with a normal TSH level who feel that they should have more testing or start treatment?

Dr. Tsai: Fatigue is one of the common referrals we get into our endocrinology practice, and everyone is convinced that their thyroid is the culprit. It is important to note, however, that fatigue can be due to different diseases such as anemia, depression, sleep disorders, or a recent viral illness.

TSH tests are readily available and cheap. I don’t mind ordering the lab test again if it helps give the patient some reassurance. I also find that patients are relieved once they hear from their endocrinologist that their thyroid is unlikely to be the cause of their fatigue.

Some other endocrine causes we may consider additionally working up include adrenal insufficiency, vitamin D deficiency, and diabetes. A comprehensive metabolic panel and complete blood count is part of my workup to rule out any gross electrolyte abnormalities or any new diagnosis of anemia, liver disease, or chronic kidney disease.

Question: What are your criteria for recommending that someone see an endocrinologist?

Dr. Tsai: Our primary care colleagues can do a workup and interpretation of thyroid function tests in most cases. In the situations where the thyroid function test results are discordant (ie, elevated TSH and elevated free T4 levels or low TSH and low free T4 levels) or difficult to interpret, it would be appropriate to refer the patient to an endocrinologist.

One of the common referrals that we do get from the community is a patient’s thyroid function tests going from hyperthyroid to hypothyroid without a clear explanation or the patient is suboptimally controlled with levothyroxine or methimazole. In those circumstances, it would be worthwhile to send to an endocrinologist try to discern an underlying cause or for optimization of medication.

Dr. Leung and Dr. Tsai had no financial disclosures.
 

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

This transcript has been edited for clarity. 

Matthew F. Watto, MD: Welcome back to The Curbsiders. I’m Dr Matthew Frank Watto, here with my great friend and America’s primary care physician, Dr. Paul Nelson Williams. 

Paul, we’re going to talk about our primary hyperparathyroidism podcast with Dr. Lindsay Kuo. It’s a topic that I feel much more clear on now.

Now, Paul, in primary care, you see a lot of calcium that is just slightly high. Can we just blame that on thiazide diuretics?

Paul N. Williams, MD: It’s a place to start. As you’re starting to think about the possible etiologies, primary hyperparathyroidism and malignancy are the two that roll right off the tongue, but it is worth going back to the patient’s medication list and making sure you’re not missing something.

Thiazides famously cause hypercalcemia, but in some of the reading I did for this episode, they may just uncover it a little bit early. Patients who are on thiazides who become hypercalcemic seem to go on to develop primary hyperthyroidism anyway. So I don’t think you can solely blame the thiazide.

Another medication that can be causative is lithium. So a good place to look first after you’ve repeated the labs and confirmed hypercalcemia is the patient’s medication list. 

Dr. Watto: We’ve talked before about the basic workup for hypercalcemia, and determining whether it’s PTH dependent or PTH independent. On the podcast, we talk more about the full workup, but I wanted to talk about the classic symptoms. Our expert made the point that we don’t see them as much anymore, although we do see kidney stones. People used to present very late in the disease because they weren’t having labs done routinely.

The classic symptoms include osteoporosis and bone tumors. People can get nephrocalcinosis and kidney stones. I hadn’t really thought of it this way because we’re used to diagnosing it early now. Do you feel the same? 

Dr. Williams: As labs have started routinely reporting calcium levels, this is more and more often how it’s picked up. The other aspect is that as we are screening for and finding osteoporosis, part of the workup almost always involves getting a parathyroid hormone and a calcium level. We’re seeing these lab abnormalities before we’re seeing symptoms, which is good.

But it also makes things more diagnostically thorny.

Dr. Watto: Dr. Lindsay Kuo made the point that when she sees patients before and after surgery, she’s aware of these nonclassic symptoms — the stones, bones, groans, and the psychiatric overtones that can be anything from fatigue or irritability to dysphoria.

Some people have a generalized weakness that’s very nonspecific. Dr. Kuo said that sometimes these symptoms will disappear after surgery. The patients may just have gotten used to them, or they thought these symptoms were caused by something else, but after surgery they went away.

There are these nonclassic symptoms that are harder to pin down. I was surprised by that.

Dr. Williams: She mentioned polydipsia and polyuria, which have been reported in other studies. It seems like it can be anything. You have to take a good history, but none of those things in and of themselves is an indication for operating unless the patient has the classic renal or bone manifestations. 

Dr. Watto: The other thing we talked about is a normal calcium level in a patient with primary hyperparathyroidism, or the finding of a PTH level in the normal range but with a high calcium level that is inappropriate. Can you talk a little bit about those two situations? 

Dr. Williams: They’re hard to say but kind of easy to manage because you treat them the same way as someone who has elevated calcium and PTH levels. 

The normocalcemic patient is something we might stumble across with osteoporosis screening. Initially the calcium level is elevated, so you repeat it and it’s normal but with an elevated PTH level. You’re like, shoot. Now what?

It turns out that most endocrine surgeons say that the indications for surgery for the classic form of primary hyperparathyroidism apply to these patients as well, and it probably helps with the bone outcomes, which is one of the things they follow most closely. If you have hypercalcemia, you should have a suppressed PTH level, the so-called normohormonal hyperparathyroidism, which is not normal at all. So even if the PTH is in the normal range, it’s still relatively elevated compared with what it should be. That situation is treated in the same way as the classic elevated PTH and elevated calcium levels.

Dr. Watto: If the calcium is abnormal and the PTH is not quite what you’d expect it to be, you can always ask your friendly neighborhood endocrinologist to help you figure out whether the patient really has one of these conditions. You have to make sure that they don’t have a simple secondary cause like a low vitamin D level. In that case, you fix the vitamin D and then recheck the numbers to see if they’ve normalized. But I have found a bunch of these edge cases in which it has been helpful to confer with an endocrinologist, especially before you send someone to a surgeon to take out their parathyroid gland. 

This was a really fantastic conversation. If you want to hear the full podcast episode, click here.
 

Dr. Watto, Clinical Assistant Professor, Department of Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine at University of Pennsylvania; Internist, Department of Medicine, Hospital Medicine Section, Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. Dr. Williams, Associate Professor of Clinical Medicine, Department of General Internal Medicine, Lewis Katz School of Medicine; Staff Physician, Department of General Internal Medicine, Temple Internal Medicine Associates, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, served as a director, officer, partner, employee, adviser, consultant, or trustee for The Curbsiders, and has received income in an amount equal to or greater than $250 from The Curbsiders.

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

This transcript has been edited for clarity. 

Matthew F. Watto, MD: Welcome back to The Curbsiders. I’m Dr Matthew Frank Watto, here with my great friend and America’s primary care physician, Dr. Paul Nelson Williams. 

Paul, we’re going to talk about our primary hyperparathyroidism podcast with Dr. Lindsay Kuo. It’s a topic that I feel much more clear on now.

Now, Paul, in primary care, you see a lot of calcium that is just slightly high. Can we just blame that on thiazide diuretics?

Paul N. Williams, MD: It’s a place to start. As you’re starting to think about the possible etiologies, primary hyperparathyroidism and malignancy are the two that roll right off the tongue, but it is worth going back to the patient’s medication list and making sure you’re not missing something.

Thiazides famously cause hypercalcemia, but in some of the reading I did for this episode, they may just uncover it a little bit early. Patients who are on thiazides who become hypercalcemic seem to go on to develop primary hyperthyroidism anyway. So I don’t think you can solely blame the thiazide.

Another medication that can be causative is lithium. So a good place to look first after you’ve repeated the labs and confirmed hypercalcemia is the patient’s medication list. 

Dr. Watto: We’ve talked before about the basic workup for hypercalcemia, and determining whether it’s PTH dependent or PTH independent. On the podcast, we talk more about the full workup, but I wanted to talk about the classic symptoms. Our expert made the point that we don’t see them as much anymore, although we do see kidney stones. People used to present very late in the disease because they weren’t having labs done routinely.

The classic symptoms include osteoporosis and bone tumors. People can get nephrocalcinosis and kidney stones. I hadn’t really thought of it this way because we’re used to diagnosing it early now. Do you feel the same? 

Dr. Williams: As labs have started routinely reporting calcium levels, this is more and more often how it’s picked up. The other aspect is that as we are screening for and finding osteoporosis, part of the workup almost always involves getting a parathyroid hormone and a calcium level. We’re seeing these lab abnormalities before we’re seeing symptoms, which is good.

But it also makes things more diagnostically thorny.

Dr. Watto: Dr. Lindsay Kuo made the point that when she sees patients before and after surgery, she’s aware of these nonclassic symptoms — the stones, bones, groans, and the psychiatric overtones that can be anything from fatigue or irritability to dysphoria.

Some people have a generalized weakness that’s very nonspecific. Dr. Kuo said that sometimes these symptoms will disappear after surgery. The patients may just have gotten used to them, or they thought these symptoms were caused by something else, but after surgery they went away.

There are these nonclassic symptoms that are harder to pin down. I was surprised by that.

Dr. Williams: She mentioned polydipsia and polyuria, which have been reported in other studies. It seems like it can be anything. You have to take a good history, but none of those things in and of themselves is an indication for operating unless the patient has the classic renal or bone manifestations. 

Dr. Watto: The other thing we talked about is a normal calcium level in a patient with primary hyperparathyroidism, or the finding of a PTH level in the normal range but with a high calcium level that is inappropriate. Can you talk a little bit about those two situations? 

Dr. Williams: They’re hard to say but kind of easy to manage because you treat them the same way as someone who has elevated calcium and PTH levels. 

The normocalcemic patient is something we might stumble across with osteoporosis screening. Initially the calcium level is elevated, so you repeat it and it’s normal but with an elevated PTH level. You’re like, shoot. Now what?

It turns out that most endocrine surgeons say that the indications for surgery for the classic form of primary hyperparathyroidism apply to these patients as well, and it probably helps with the bone outcomes, which is one of the things they follow most closely. If you have hypercalcemia, you should have a suppressed PTH level, the so-called normohormonal hyperparathyroidism, which is not normal at all. So even if the PTH is in the normal range, it’s still relatively elevated compared with what it should be. That situation is treated in the same way as the classic elevated PTH and elevated calcium levels.

Dr. Watto: If the calcium is abnormal and the PTH is not quite what you’d expect it to be, you can always ask your friendly neighborhood endocrinologist to help you figure out whether the patient really has one of these conditions. You have to make sure that they don’t have a simple secondary cause like a low vitamin D level. In that case, you fix the vitamin D and then recheck the numbers to see if they’ve normalized. But I have found a bunch of these edge cases in which it has been helpful to confer with an endocrinologist, especially before you send someone to a surgeon to take out their parathyroid gland. 

This was a really fantastic conversation. If you want to hear the full podcast episode, click here.
 

Dr. Watto, Clinical Assistant Professor, Department of Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine at University of Pennsylvania; Internist, Department of Medicine, Hospital Medicine Section, Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. Dr. Williams, Associate Professor of Clinical Medicine, Department of General Internal Medicine, Lewis Katz School of Medicine; Staff Physician, Department of General Internal Medicine, Temple Internal Medicine Associates, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, served as a director, officer, partner, employee, adviser, consultant, or trustee for The Curbsiders, and has received income in an amount equal to or greater than $250 from The Curbsiders.

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

This transcript has been edited for clarity. 

Matthew F. Watto, MD: Welcome back to The Curbsiders. I’m Dr Matthew Frank Watto, here with my great friend and America’s primary care physician, Dr. Paul Nelson Williams. 

Paul, we’re going to talk about our primary hyperparathyroidism podcast with Dr. Lindsay Kuo. It’s a topic that I feel much more clear on now.

Now, Paul, in primary care, you see a lot of calcium that is just slightly high. Can we just blame that on thiazide diuretics?

Paul N. Williams, MD: It’s a place to start. As you’re starting to think about the possible etiologies, primary hyperparathyroidism and malignancy are the two that roll right off the tongue, but it is worth going back to the patient’s medication list and making sure you’re not missing something.

Thiazides famously cause hypercalcemia, but in some of the reading I did for this episode, they may just uncover it a little bit early. Patients who are on thiazides who become hypercalcemic seem to go on to develop primary hyperthyroidism anyway. So I don’t think you can solely blame the thiazide.

Another medication that can be causative is lithium. So a good place to look first after you’ve repeated the labs and confirmed hypercalcemia is the patient’s medication list. 

Dr. Watto: We’ve talked before about the basic workup for hypercalcemia, and determining whether it’s PTH dependent or PTH independent. On the podcast, we talk more about the full workup, but I wanted to talk about the classic symptoms. Our expert made the point that we don’t see them as much anymore, although we do see kidney stones. People used to present very late in the disease because they weren’t having labs done routinely.

The classic symptoms include osteoporosis and bone tumors. People can get nephrocalcinosis and kidney stones. I hadn’t really thought of it this way because we’re used to diagnosing it early now. Do you feel the same? 

Dr. Williams: As labs have started routinely reporting calcium levels, this is more and more often how it’s picked up. The other aspect is that as we are screening for and finding osteoporosis, part of the workup almost always involves getting a parathyroid hormone and a calcium level. We’re seeing these lab abnormalities before we’re seeing symptoms, which is good.

But it also makes things more diagnostically thorny.

Dr. Watto: Dr. Lindsay Kuo made the point that when she sees patients before and after surgery, she’s aware of these nonclassic symptoms — the stones, bones, groans, and the psychiatric overtones that can be anything from fatigue or irritability to dysphoria.

Some people have a generalized weakness that’s very nonspecific. Dr. Kuo said that sometimes these symptoms will disappear after surgery. The patients may just have gotten used to them, or they thought these symptoms were caused by something else, but after surgery they went away.

There are these nonclassic symptoms that are harder to pin down. I was surprised by that.

Dr. Williams: She mentioned polydipsia and polyuria, which have been reported in other studies. It seems like it can be anything. You have to take a good history, but none of those things in and of themselves is an indication for operating unless the patient has the classic renal or bone manifestations. 

Dr. Watto: The other thing we talked about is a normal calcium level in a patient with primary hyperparathyroidism, or the finding of a PTH level in the normal range but with a high calcium level that is inappropriate. Can you talk a little bit about those two situations? 

Dr. Williams: They’re hard to say but kind of easy to manage because you treat them the same way as someone who has elevated calcium and PTH levels. 

The normocalcemic patient is something we might stumble across with osteoporosis screening. Initially the calcium level is elevated, so you repeat it and it’s normal but with an elevated PTH level. You’re like, shoot. Now what?

It turns out that most endocrine surgeons say that the indications for surgery for the classic form of primary hyperparathyroidism apply to these patients as well, and it probably helps with the bone outcomes, which is one of the things they follow most closely. If you have hypercalcemia, you should have a suppressed PTH level, the so-called normohormonal hyperparathyroidism, which is not normal at all. So even if the PTH is in the normal range, it’s still relatively elevated compared with what it should be. That situation is treated in the same way as the classic elevated PTH and elevated calcium levels.

Dr. Watto: If the calcium is abnormal and the PTH is not quite what you’d expect it to be, you can always ask your friendly neighborhood endocrinologist to help you figure out whether the patient really has one of these conditions. You have to make sure that they don’t have a simple secondary cause like a low vitamin D level. In that case, you fix the vitamin D and then recheck the numbers to see if they’ve normalized. But I have found a bunch of these edge cases in which it has been helpful to confer with an endocrinologist, especially before you send someone to a surgeon to take out their parathyroid gland. 

This was a really fantastic conversation. If you want to hear the full podcast episode, click here.
 

Dr. Watto, Clinical Assistant Professor, Department of Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine at University of Pennsylvania; Internist, Department of Medicine, Hospital Medicine Section, Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. Dr. Williams, Associate Professor of Clinical Medicine, Department of General Internal Medicine, Lewis Katz School of Medicine; Staff Physician, Department of General Internal Medicine, Temple Internal Medicine Associates, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, served as a director, officer, partner, employee, adviser, consultant, or trustee for The Curbsiders, and has received income in an amount equal to or greater than $250 from The Curbsiders.

A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.

How does the presence of the JAK2 V617F mutation affect the diagnosis and classification of myeloproliferative neoplasms?

Dr. Richard: The JAK2 V617F mutation is found in > 90% of patients with polycythemia vera (PV). The remaining patients with PV have mutations in a different portion of the JAK2 gene. Since JAK2 mutations are found in virtually all patients with PV, having the mutation helps make the diagnosis, but does not carry prognostic significance. Some studies suggest that the allele burden of the mutated JAK2 V617F could be used to identify aggressive disease, but that finding is not universally accepted across all health care entities or practitioners. Variations in acceptance may be due to factors such as evolution of knowledge based on the latest evidence, clinical practice variability and priorities, availability of testing, and complexity of disease management.

This is not true of the 2 other classical myeloproliferative neoplasms (MPNs) that we see commonly in our clinics: essential thrombocytosis (ET) and myelofibrosis (MF). The CALR mutation can be seen in patients with ET and MF and signals a less aggressive form of the disease.

The presence of JAK2 V617F is critical for prognosis. Although it does not directly help to inform the patient of what to expect, identifying the mutation provides us with important information about the patient’s prognosis, which helps guide treatment decisions such as the intensity of therapy and monitoring for thrombotic events.

What are the potential implications of the JAK2 V617F mutation in the treatment of PV?

Dr. Richard: The discovery of the JAK2 V617F mutation in MPNs in 2005 led to the hope that perhaps there would be targeted therapy that could result in disease remissions. We had all hoped that the spectacular responses observed in patients with chronic myelogenous leukemia (CML) treated with imatinib could be replicated with JAK2 inhibitors. It turned out that blocking JAK2 was insufficient to reverse the disease. Studies are still ongoing whether drugs that can decrease the JAK2 V617F allele burden could be used to achieve a type of remission. Perhaps combination therapies will need to be developed.

I am hopeful that in the future we do see advancements that provide improved diagnosis and monitoring to help facilitate early detection, personalized treatment approaches to offer more effective and well tolerated therapies, risk stratification and prognostication to help identify higher risk progression, combination therapies to possibly improve efficacy and adherence, and novel therapeutic targets to help discover new treatments and provide improved outcomes.

How can JAK2 V617F lead to 3 different forms of myeloproliferative neoplasms?

Dr. Richard: The short answer is no one knows exactly. The phenotypic differences between PV and the other 2 MPN variants are most likely determined by the integration of other signaling pathways that are activated by the corresponding driver mutation, and interactions with other mutations. What also seems to matter is the sequence in which the individual mutations are acquired.

There have been documented cases of post-polycythemic leukemia that no longer have the JAK2 V617F mutation. However, at some point that mutation was lost, and the cells acquired other driver mutations that resulted in leukemia.

What we do know now is that there are several potential interactions that can coexist with JAK2 V617F. There is MPL mutation, which contributes to disease pathogenesis and thrombotic risk. Independent of JAK2 V617F pathways is CALR mutation, which is another driver of MPNs. In addition are other JAK mutations, epigenetic alterations, and microenvironmental factors. All of these have the potential to influence clinical manifestations by impacting clinical outcomes, affecting expression patterns and signaling inflammation within the bone marrow microenvironment.

Are there any ongoing research efforts or clinical trials exploring targeted therapies that specifically address the JAK2 V617F mutation in patients with PV?

Dr. Richard: The ongoing research efforts to address JAK2-targeted therapies are looking at options like novel JAK inhibitors, combination therapies, resistance mechanisms, improved safety profiles, biomarker identification, exploring new indications, and preclinical studies that involve the development and testing of new JAK inhibitors.

Other JAK2-targeted therapies continue to be in development. At this time, we have ruxolitinib, pacritinib, fedratinib, and momelotinib. None of them appear to be a magic bullet the way imatinib was with CML. Perhaps a better disease comparison is chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL). In CLL, targeted therapies against Bruton tyrosine kinase and BCL2 are being combined to result in many years of disease control. JAK2 inhibition may need to be combined with another active drug, perhaps against a mutation or pathway that has not yet been identified.

How does the presence of the JAK2 V617F mutation affect the diagnosis and classification of myeloproliferative neoplasms?

Dr. Richard: The JAK2 V617F mutation is found in > 90% of patients with polycythemia vera (PV). The remaining patients with PV have mutations in a different portion of the JAK2 gene. Since JAK2 mutations are found in virtually all patients with PV, having the mutation helps make the diagnosis, but does not carry prognostic significance. Some studies suggest that the allele burden of the mutated JAK2 V617F could be used to identify aggressive disease, but that finding is not universally accepted across all health care entities or practitioners. Variations in acceptance may be due to factors such as evolution of knowledge based on the latest evidence, clinical practice variability and priorities, availability of testing, and complexity of disease management.

This is not true of the 2 other classical myeloproliferative neoplasms (MPNs) that we see commonly in our clinics: essential thrombocytosis (ET) and myelofibrosis (MF). The CALR mutation can be seen in patients with ET and MF and signals a less aggressive form of the disease.

The presence of JAK2 V617F is critical for prognosis. Although it does not directly help to inform the patient of what to expect, identifying the mutation provides us with important information about the patient’s prognosis, which helps guide treatment decisions such as the intensity of therapy and monitoring for thrombotic events.

What are the potential implications of the JAK2 V617F mutation in the treatment of PV?

Dr. Richard: The discovery of the JAK2 V617F mutation in MPNs in 2005 led to the hope that perhaps there would be targeted therapy that could result in disease remissions. We had all hoped that the spectacular responses observed in patients with chronic myelogenous leukemia (CML) treated with imatinib could be replicated with JAK2 inhibitors. It turned out that blocking JAK2 was insufficient to reverse the disease. Studies are still ongoing whether drugs that can decrease the JAK2 V617F allele burden could be used to achieve a type of remission. Perhaps combination therapies will need to be developed.

I am hopeful that in the future we do see advancements that provide improved diagnosis and monitoring to help facilitate early detection, personalized treatment approaches to offer more effective and well tolerated therapies, risk stratification and prognostication to help identify higher risk progression, combination therapies to possibly improve efficacy and adherence, and novel therapeutic targets to help discover new treatments and provide improved outcomes.

How can JAK2 V617F lead to 3 different forms of myeloproliferative neoplasms?

Dr. Richard: The short answer is no one knows exactly. The phenotypic differences between PV and the other 2 MPN variants are most likely determined by the integration of other signaling pathways that are activated by the corresponding driver mutation, and interactions with other mutations. What also seems to matter is the sequence in which the individual mutations are acquired.

There have been documented cases of post-polycythemic leukemia that no longer have the JAK2 V617F mutation. However, at some point that mutation was lost, and the cells acquired other driver mutations that resulted in leukemia.

What we do know now is that there are several potential interactions that can coexist with JAK2 V617F. There is MPL mutation, which contributes to disease pathogenesis and thrombotic risk. Independent of JAK2 V617F pathways is CALR mutation, which is another driver of MPNs. In addition are other JAK mutations, epigenetic alterations, and microenvironmental factors. All of these have the potential to influence clinical manifestations by impacting clinical outcomes, affecting expression patterns and signaling inflammation within the bone marrow microenvironment.

Are there any ongoing research efforts or clinical trials exploring targeted therapies that specifically address the JAK2 V617F mutation in patients with PV?

Dr. Richard: The ongoing research efforts to address JAK2-targeted therapies are looking at options like novel JAK inhibitors, combination therapies, resistance mechanisms, improved safety profiles, biomarker identification, exploring new indications, and preclinical studies that involve the development and testing of new JAK inhibitors.

Other JAK2-targeted therapies continue to be in development. At this time, we have ruxolitinib, pacritinib, fedratinib, and momelotinib. None of them appear to be a magic bullet the way imatinib was with CML. Perhaps a better disease comparison is chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL). In CLL, targeted therapies against Bruton tyrosine kinase and BCL2 are being combined to result in many years of disease control. JAK2 inhibition may need to be combined with another active drug, perhaps against a mutation or pathway that has not yet been identified.

How does the presence of the JAK2 V617F mutation affect the diagnosis and classification of myeloproliferative neoplasms?

Dr. Richard: The JAK2 V617F mutation is found in > 90% of patients with polycythemia vera (PV). The remaining patients with PV have mutations in a different portion of the JAK2 gene. Since JAK2 mutations are found in virtually all patients with PV, having the mutation helps make the diagnosis, but does not carry prognostic significance. Some studies suggest that the allele burden of the mutated JAK2 V617F could be used to identify aggressive disease, but that finding is not universally accepted across all health care entities or practitioners. Variations in acceptance may be due to factors such as evolution of knowledge based on the latest evidence, clinical practice variability and priorities, availability of testing, and complexity of disease management.

This is not true of the 2 other classical myeloproliferative neoplasms (MPNs) that we see commonly in our clinics: essential thrombocytosis (ET) and myelofibrosis (MF). The CALR mutation can be seen in patients with ET and MF and signals a less aggressive form of the disease.

The presence of JAK2 V617F is critical for prognosis. Although it does not directly help to inform the patient of what to expect, identifying the mutation provides us with important information about the patient’s prognosis, which helps guide treatment decisions such as the intensity of therapy and monitoring for thrombotic events.

What are the potential implications of the JAK2 V617F mutation in the treatment of PV?

Dr. Richard: The discovery of the JAK2 V617F mutation in MPNs in 2005 led to the hope that perhaps there would be targeted therapy that could result in disease remissions. We had all hoped that the spectacular responses observed in patients with chronic myelogenous leukemia (CML) treated with imatinib could be replicated with JAK2 inhibitors. It turned out that blocking JAK2 was insufficient to reverse the disease. Studies are still ongoing whether drugs that can decrease the JAK2 V617F allele burden could be used to achieve a type of remission. Perhaps combination therapies will need to be developed.

I am hopeful that in the future we do see advancements that provide improved diagnosis and monitoring to help facilitate early detection, personalized treatment approaches to offer more effective and well tolerated therapies, risk stratification and prognostication to help identify higher risk progression, combination therapies to possibly improve efficacy and adherence, and novel therapeutic targets to help discover new treatments and provide improved outcomes.

How can JAK2 V617F lead to 3 different forms of myeloproliferative neoplasms?

Dr. Richard: The short answer is no one knows exactly. The phenotypic differences between PV and the other 2 MPN variants are most likely determined by the integration of other signaling pathways that are activated by the corresponding driver mutation, and interactions with other mutations. What also seems to matter is the sequence in which the individual mutations are acquired.

There have been documented cases of post-polycythemic leukemia that no longer have the JAK2 V617F mutation. However, at some point that mutation was lost, and the cells acquired other driver mutations that resulted in leukemia.

What we do know now is that there are several potential interactions that can coexist with JAK2 V617F. There is MPL mutation, which contributes to disease pathogenesis and thrombotic risk. Independent of JAK2 V617F pathways is CALR mutation, which is another driver of MPNs. In addition are other JAK mutations, epigenetic alterations, and microenvironmental factors. All of these have the potential to influence clinical manifestations by impacting clinical outcomes, affecting expression patterns and signaling inflammation within the bone marrow microenvironment.

Are there any ongoing research efforts or clinical trials exploring targeted therapies that specifically address the JAK2 V617F mutation in patients with PV?

Dr. Richard: The ongoing research efforts to address JAK2-targeted therapies are looking at options like novel JAK inhibitors, combination therapies, resistance mechanisms, improved safety profiles, biomarker identification, exploring new indications, and preclinical studies that involve the development and testing of new JAK inhibitors.

Other JAK2-targeted therapies continue to be in development. At this time, we have ruxolitinib, pacritinib, fedratinib, and momelotinib. None of them appear to be a magic bullet the way imatinib was with CML. Perhaps a better disease comparison is chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL). In CLL, targeted therapies against Bruton tyrosine kinase and BCL2 are being combined to result in many years of disease control. JAK2 inhibition may need to be combined with another active drug, perhaps against a mutation or pathway that has not yet been identified.

There are several new therapies on the horizon for polycythemia vera. What is the potential impact of these treatments coming to market?

Dr. Richard: There are a number of emerging therapies for polycythemia vera (PV), such as PTG-300, idasanutlin, and givinostat. PTG-300, or rusfertide, is a hepcidin mimetic that works by regulating iron metabolism and potentially controlling erythropoiesis, limiting the need for phlebotomy. Idasanutlin, a selective MDM2 inhibitor, targets p53 activity. Even though this drug is early in its development, everyone who treats patients with cancer has been hoping for a drug that works through p53. If it is effective here, who knows where else it could be effective across various other conditions.

Givinostat is well along the development pathway in advanced trials. This drug shows promise in modulating gene expression and reducing the inflammation and fibrosis associated with PV, potentially improving patient outcomes and quality of life. Everyone is hopeful that givinostat could show some effect on disease control and potentially an effect on the myeloproliferative clone. However, rigorous clinical trials and further research are necessary to validate their efficacy, safety profiles, and long-term impacts on patients with PV.

Now, with the approval of peginterferon, the next step is going to be to see how effective it will be and what the adverse events might be. I think we will be getting more data as it starts to be used more. My prediction is that there will be a slow uptake, largely because many older physicians such as myself remember the significant side effects from interferon in the past. Despite being an FDA-approved treatment, it remains an emerging therapy, particularly in the United States. Its adoption and efficacy will become clearer as time progresses.

Another promising drug early in its development is bomedemstat, which functions through a different mechanism as a deacetylase. While the potential effect of histone deacetylase drugs on patient treatment outcomes remains uncertain this year, there might be significant data—either positive or negative—that accelerate the progress of these drugs in their developmental trajectory.

We know that ruxolitinib can be used effectively for patients once they fail hydroxyurea. And now there has been the development of other JAK2 inhibitors that are approved for myelofibrosis. I am not quite sure how they can be evaluated in PV, since we are talking about relatively small numbers of patients, but they do seem to have some slight differences that may be significant and could be used in this space.

Those are the main therapies that I will have my eye on this year.

What is the potential significance of an accelerated dosing schedule for BESREMi (ropeginterferon-alfa-2b-njft), which is being investigated in the ECLIPSE PV phase 3b clinical trial?

Dr. Richard: The potential significance of an accelerated dosing schedule for BESREMi, as investigated in the ECLIPSE PV phase 3b clinical trial, lies in its capacity to enhance treatment efficacy and outcomes for patients with PV. I am incredibly pleased that it is being done as a trial, partly because a lot of people assume that once a phase 3 study is complete and a drug receives FDA approval, everything is finished and done, and we will move on to the next thing. I really appreciate it when phase 3b or 4 studies are performed, and the data get collected and published.

This study is going to follow a group of patients closely for adverse events and for the JAK2 signal. By administering BESREMi at an accelerated pace, researchers can evaluate its ability to better control hematocrit levels and symptoms associated with PV. In addition, an accelerated dosing schedule could potentially offer patients more efficient symptom management and disease control, leading to improved quality of life and reduced complications associated with PV. I believe that findings from this trial could thus pave the way for optimized treatment strategies and better outcomes for individuals living with PV.

What should future trials focus on to help improve prognosis and survival for patients with PV?

Dr. Richard: We are starting to move increasingly into finding better therapies for patients with PV, and I’ll add in essential thrombocytosis, which are based on informed prognostication. I would love to see studies that just pull out the patients at the highest risk, where the survival is down around 5 years—those are small numbers of patients. To conduct a study like that is exceedingly difficult to do. We are seeing increased consortiums of myeloproliferative neoplasm physicians. Europe has always been particularly good at this. The United States is getting better at it, so it is possible that a trial like that could be pulled together, where centers put in 1 or 2 patients at a time.

Future trials aimed at improving prognosis and survival for PV should prioritize several critical areas. First, there is a need for comprehensive studies to better understand the molecular mechanisms underlying PV pathogenesis, including the JAK2 mutation and its downstream effects. Exploring new therapeutic implications and improve long-term outcomes. Additionally, identifying reliable biomarkers for disease progression and treatment response can facilitate early intervention and personalized treatment approaches. Finally, trials should focus on assessing the impact of treatment on quality of life and addressing the unique needs of patients with PV to optimize overall prognosis and survival.

I have always held hope that the Veterans Administration could serve as a platform for conducting some of these studies, given that we possess the largest healthcare system in the country. Whether we participate in larger studies or conduct our research internally, this is something I have long envisioned.

There are several new therapies on the horizon for polycythemia vera. What is the potential impact of these treatments coming to market?

Dr. Richard: There are a number of emerging therapies for polycythemia vera (PV), such as PTG-300, idasanutlin, and givinostat. PTG-300, or rusfertide, is a hepcidin mimetic that works by regulating iron metabolism and potentially controlling erythropoiesis, limiting the need for phlebotomy. Idasanutlin, a selective MDM2 inhibitor, targets p53 activity. Even though this drug is early in its development, everyone who treats patients with cancer has been hoping for a drug that works through p53. If it is effective here, who knows where else it could be effective across various other conditions.

Givinostat is well along the development pathway in advanced trials. This drug shows promise in modulating gene expression and reducing the inflammation and fibrosis associated with PV, potentially improving patient outcomes and quality of life. Everyone is hopeful that givinostat could show some effect on disease control and potentially an effect on the myeloproliferative clone. However, rigorous clinical trials and further research are necessary to validate their efficacy, safety profiles, and long-term impacts on patients with PV.

Now, with the approval of peginterferon, the next step is going to be to see how effective it will be and what the adverse events might be. I think we will be getting more data as it starts to be used more. My prediction is that there will be a slow uptake, largely because many older physicians such as myself remember the significant side effects from interferon in the past. Despite being an FDA-approved treatment, it remains an emerging therapy, particularly in the United States. Its adoption and efficacy will become clearer as time progresses.

Another promising drug early in its development is bomedemstat, which functions through a different mechanism as a deacetylase. While the potential effect of histone deacetylase drugs on patient treatment outcomes remains uncertain this year, there might be significant data—either positive or negative—that accelerate the progress of these drugs in their developmental trajectory.

We know that ruxolitinib can be used effectively for patients once they fail hydroxyurea. And now there has been the development of other JAK2 inhibitors that are approved for myelofibrosis. I am not quite sure how they can be evaluated in PV, since we are talking about relatively small numbers of patients, but they do seem to have some slight differences that may be significant and could be used in this space.

Those are the main therapies that I will have my eye on this year.

What is the potential significance of an accelerated dosing schedule for BESREMi (ropeginterferon-alfa-2b-njft), which is being investigated in the ECLIPSE PV phase 3b clinical trial?

Dr. Richard: The potential significance of an accelerated dosing schedule for BESREMi, as investigated in the ECLIPSE PV phase 3b clinical trial, lies in its capacity to enhance treatment efficacy and outcomes for patients with PV. I am incredibly pleased that it is being done as a trial, partly because a lot of people assume that once a phase 3 study is complete and a drug receives FDA approval, everything is finished and done, and we will move on to the next thing. I really appreciate it when phase 3b or 4 studies are performed, and the data get collected and published.

This study is going to follow a group of patients closely for adverse events and for the JAK2 signal. By administering BESREMi at an accelerated pace, researchers can evaluate its ability to better control hematocrit levels and symptoms associated with PV. In addition, an accelerated dosing schedule could potentially offer patients more efficient symptom management and disease control, leading to improved quality of life and reduced complications associated with PV. I believe that findings from this trial could thus pave the way for optimized treatment strategies and better outcomes for individuals living with PV.

What should future trials focus on to help improve prognosis and survival for patients with PV?

Dr. Richard: We are starting to move increasingly into finding better therapies for patients with PV, and I’ll add in essential thrombocytosis, which are based on informed prognostication. I would love to see studies that just pull out the patients at the highest risk, where the survival is down around 5 years—those are small numbers of patients. To conduct a study like that is exceedingly difficult to do. We are seeing increased consortiums of myeloproliferative neoplasm physicians. Europe has always been particularly good at this. The United States is getting better at it, so it is possible that a trial like that could be pulled together, where centers put in 1 or 2 patients at a time.

Future trials aimed at improving prognosis and survival for PV should prioritize several critical areas. First, there is a need for comprehensive studies to better understand the molecular mechanisms underlying PV pathogenesis, including the JAK2 mutation and its downstream effects. Exploring new therapeutic implications and improve long-term outcomes. Additionally, identifying reliable biomarkers for disease progression and treatment response can facilitate early intervention and personalized treatment approaches. Finally, trials should focus on assessing the impact of treatment on quality of life and addressing the unique needs of patients with PV to optimize overall prognosis and survival.

I have always held hope that the Veterans Administration could serve as a platform for conducting some of these studies, given that we possess the largest healthcare system in the country. Whether we participate in larger studies or conduct our research internally, this is something I have long envisioned.

There are several new therapies on the horizon for polycythemia vera. What is the potential impact of these treatments coming to market?

Dr. Richard: There are a number of emerging therapies for polycythemia vera (PV), such as PTG-300, idasanutlin, and givinostat. PTG-300, or rusfertide, is a hepcidin mimetic that works by regulating iron metabolism and potentially controlling erythropoiesis, limiting the need for phlebotomy. Idasanutlin, a selective MDM2 inhibitor, targets p53 activity. Even though this drug is early in its development, everyone who treats patients with cancer has been hoping for a drug that works through p53. If it is effective here, who knows where else it could be effective across various other conditions.

Givinostat is well along the development pathway in advanced trials. This drug shows promise in modulating gene expression and reducing the inflammation and fibrosis associated with PV, potentially improving patient outcomes and quality of life. Everyone is hopeful that givinostat could show some effect on disease control and potentially an effect on the myeloproliferative clone. However, rigorous clinical trials and further research are necessary to validate their efficacy, safety profiles, and long-term impacts on patients with PV.

Now, with the approval of peginterferon, the next step is going to be to see how effective it will be and what the adverse events might be. I think we will be getting more data as it starts to be used more. My prediction is that there will be a slow uptake, largely because many older physicians such as myself remember the significant side effects from interferon in the past. Despite being an FDA-approved treatment, it remains an emerging therapy, particularly in the United States. Its adoption and efficacy will become clearer as time progresses.

Another promising drug early in its development is bomedemstat, which functions through a different mechanism as a deacetylase. While the potential effect of histone deacetylase drugs on patient treatment outcomes remains uncertain this year, there might be significant data—either positive or negative—that accelerate the progress of these drugs in their developmental trajectory.

We know that ruxolitinib can be used effectively for patients once they fail hydroxyurea. And now there has been the development of other JAK2 inhibitors that are approved for myelofibrosis. I am not quite sure how they can be evaluated in PV, since we are talking about relatively small numbers of patients, but they do seem to have some slight differences that may be significant and could be used in this space.

Those are the main therapies that I will have my eye on this year.

What is the potential significance of an accelerated dosing schedule for BESREMi (ropeginterferon-alfa-2b-njft), which is being investigated in the ECLIPSE PV phase 3b clinical trial?

Dr. Richard: The potential significance of an accelerated dosing schedule for BESREMi, as investigated in the ECLIPSE PV phase 3b clinical trial, lies in its capacity to enhance treatment efficacy and outcomes for patients with PV. I am incredibly pleased that it is being done as a trial, partly because a lot of people assume that once a phase 3 study is complete and a drug receives FDA approval, everything is finished and done, and we will move on to the next thing. I really appreciate it when phase 3b or 4 studies are performed, and the data get collected and published.

This study is going to follow a group of patients closely for adverse events and for the JAK2 signal. By administering BESREMi at an accelerated pace, researchers can evaluate its ability to better control hematocrit levels and symptoms associated with PV. In addition, an accelerated dosing schedule could potentially offer patients more efficient symptom management and disease control, leading to improved quality of life and reduced complications associated with PV. I believe that findings from this trial could thus pave the way for optimized treatment strategies and better outcomes for individuals living with PV.

What should future trials focus on to help improve prognosis and survival for patients with PV?

Dr. Richard: We are starting to move increasingly into finding better therapies for patients with PV, and I’ll add in essential thrombocytosis, which are based on informed prognostication. I would love to see studies that just pull out the patients at the highest risk, where the survival is down around 5 years—those are small numbers of patients. To conduct a study like that is exceedingly difficult to do. We are seeing increased consortiums of myeloproliferative neoplasm physicians. Europe has always been particularly good at this. The United States is getting better at it, so it is possible that a trial like that could be pulled together, where centers put in 1 or 2 patients at a time.

Future trials aimed at improving prognosis and survival for PV should prioritize several critical areas. First, there is a need for comprehensive studies to better understand the molecular mechanisms underlying PV pathogenesis, including the JAK2 mutation and its downstream effects. Exploring new therapeutic implications and improve long-term outcomes. Additionally, identifying reliable biomarkers for disease progression and treatment response can facilitate early intervention and personalized treatment approaches. Finally, trials should focus on assessing the impact of treatment on quality of life and addressing the unique needs of patients with PV to optimize overall prognosis and survival.

I have always held hope that the Veterans Administration could serve as a platform for conducting some of these studies, given that we possess the largest healthcare system in the country. Whether we participate in larger studies or conduct our research internally, this is something I have long envisioned.

Dr. Richard: The first thing we as physicians are worried about is patients with PV developing thrombosis. We start prophylaxis with aspirin, as aspirin remains the best treatment for reducing this risk. It is essential to make sure patients with PV understand the importance of taking an aspirin, even at a low dosage.

The second step is trying to control patients’ red blood cell counts. Phlebotomy has been used for this purpose for many decades and continues to be effective. You will find some experts in the field who consider phlebotomy to be the mainstay of treatment for patients with PV, and that it has benefits in and of itself.

However, despite the benefits, phlebotomy can be a little tough on patients. For instance, patients with PV cannot donate blood at a traditional blood center such as Red Cross, and therefore need to go to an actual infusion center. They also must stop their day and travel to a site to receive therapeutic phlebotomy treatment, which is most effective for patients with a blood disorder. I work in Seattle taking care of patients throughout the Northwest, and it is not always easy to find a close location to send patients for phlebotomy. Nevertheless, phlebotomy should be part of the treatment options for patients with PV, especially patients in the high-risk range who have high hemoglobin and hematocrit values.

The third step is controlling hemoglobin and hematocrit levels. Hydroxyurea is our standard of care with strong beneficial data for this purpose.

These are the 3 approaches to treatment we initially discuss with our patients during their first visit. These 3 strategies can improve a patient's life and reduce their risk for thrombosis.

Which treatment do you recommend depending on the patient’s symptoms?

Dr. Richard: The treatment that we offer can vary. The first thing I want to know is how their symptoms respond to aspirin. For instance, symptoms such as erythromelalgia oftentimes respond beautifully to aspirin. Most patients do not have massive splenomegaly—that would give me a high suspicion for myelofibrosis—but they can develop and present with some level of splenomegaly.

If the symptoms are bothersome to the patient, I will probably want to get them on some kind of cytoreduction to see if that is effective. Hydroxyurea, although not as effective as aspirin and associated with adverse effects in some patients, is a good medication to start cytoreductive therapy. The National Comprehensive Cancer Network® (NCCN®) Guidelines suggest that if a patient taking hydroxyurea experiences severe gastrointestinal (GI) toxicity, go ahead and move to a Janus kinase 2 (JAK2) inhibitor or try interferon. JAK2 inhibition with ruxolitinib, in this case, is effective, at least initially for treating splenomegaly. Unfortunately, symptoms sometimes get confused with effects from the medications. You have to use an individualized treatment approach and see what works for each patient.
 

What are some of the common adverse effects of treatment?

Dr. Richard: As you probably can tell, I never skip aspirin since it is such an important part of treatment for patients with PV. However, I do talk to patients about GI upset and the bleeding risks, such as the potential for GI bleed. Obviously, clotting is what causes an increase in morbidity and mortality, but bleeding can be an important adverse effect with platelets that do not function, or for other issues.

Hydroxyurea is generally well tolerated, but some patients can develop skin issues or ulcers due to GI toxicity. I have a lot of confidence in the use of hydroxyurea, and I use it without hesitation. However, you may have a patient who already has a relatively low neutrophil count or has some level of thrombocytopenia from either liver disease or some other issue, and they just cannot tolerate hydroxyurea. Some other bothersome symptoms include change of taste, skin changes, and brittle nails. It can be tricky. I will attempt hydroxyurea, if needed, but sometimes they just cannot tolerate it.

What happens when a patient cannot tolerate one or all the medications you mentioned?

Dr. Richard: Now that we have JAK2 inhibitors, ruxolitinib is generally my choice for patients who cannot tolerate hydroxyurea, which is more common than maybe we would like. Other problems with hydroxyurea include that it might not work, or phlebotomy combined with hydroxyurea results in cytopenias, or patients have a particularly aggressive form of PV.

There are numerous other JAK2 drug inhibitors on the market for myelofibrosis. The assumption is they probably work as well as ruxolitinib for PV, but right now ruxolitinib is what is approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for these patients.

The other drug that we do not use much is interferon, or now, pegylated interferon. It is a drug that has been around for a long time and worked well in chronic myelogenous leukemia before we had the tyrosine kinase inhibitors. Pegylated interferon is a well-tolerated drug that can be used for patients with PV who are pregnant or could get pregnant. It is not the interferon of our parents or grandparents. We now have options for controlling the disease and its complications, but the hardest thing is to tell patients that none of these treatments are going to cure them or reverse the overproduction of red blood cells in their bone marrow. There has always been discussion about whether there could be some effect of interferon on the actual tumor burden, but that remains to be proven.

Can you go a little bit more into your recommended approach to managing newly diagnosed patients with PV in your day-to-day practice?

Dr. Richard: Oftentimes these patients are identified through our consultation service. It can be hard on the primary care physician to identify whether a patient has secondary or primary PV.

We are lucky now that JAK2 has been identified. The JAK2-V617F and the other exon 12 mutations were identified back in 2006 by several groups and is a great test. With JAK2 along with an erythropoietin test, you can feel confident whether you have identified PV.

PV encompasses a wide variety of syndromes. Patients can come into the office with terrible symptoms, including aquagenic pruritus or erythromelalgia. I have seen young people in their 30s who happen to have a slightly elevated hematocrit and a positive JAK2 test. When this occurs, you try to understand how much the disease is affecting their life, whether they are going to be in a high-risk category or a low-risk category, whether they have had thrombosis, and how their age figures into all of it. To try to figure out this high-risk versus low-risk factor, we use a simple staging system to help determine whether they are going to need cytoreductive therapy or whether you can just start with phlebotomy and see how they do.

Oftentimes in the first visit, I recommend a bone marrow study. Is that going to be true 5 years from now? I am not sure. You know, next-generation sequencing (NGS) is turning into such an important part of determining prognosis in these patients. It helps if you have a great colleague down in hematopathology who can look at the bone marrow as it relates to megakaryocyte morphology, or whether there is early fibrosis.

Although these techniques may not be as prominent in practice today for determining diagnosis, they help us understand the prognosis. A bone marrow study or NGS is particularly useful when you have patients who you are convinced have PV, but it turns out they already have extensive fibrosis and are actually moving more toward the post-polycythemia phase a little faster than you think. While we do not use an allogeneic transplant often, in this scenario we may recommend it. Our primary goal at this point is to try to determine which patients would benefit from a transplant early on and to prepare the patient for this option.

What socioeconomic disparities have you observed in newly diagnosed patients?

Dr. Richard: There are definitely social disparities for people who have low income. I work in a veteran’s hospital where we take care of a lot of people who do not have health insurance, but who come to the VA because they do have benefits. If they are in our system, they get identified and their care is great. However, if they have been out in the regular system without health insurance, oftentimes they get diagnosed late. Identifying and treating patients from low socioeconomic backgrounds is an issue. I think everyone can agree with that.

We have a delicate situation with women veterans. Something that is incredibly painful that I think people should be aware of is the amount of military sexual trauma (MST) that has occurred over the years. These patients are in a unique place of trust with their care providers. They have spent a lot of time not being listened to in a variety of arenas. I see this in young military women who no one expects to have a stem cell disorder. We as health care providers do them a disservice if their complaints lead to referral to a psychotherapist or being prescribed a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug or something like that. As health care providers, we are in a unique position to listen to and accurately evaluate these patients. We have a large population of veterans and, increasingly more women veterans, but I think we can all agree that they need better care, especially if they have suffered from MST. That is what I see in my patient population.

When I was a resident in Baltimore, it was Black people with lower income who did not trust doctors. We still have a lot of work to do.

Dr. Richard: The first thing we as physicians are worried about is patients with PV developing thrombosis. We start prophylaxis with aspirin, as aspirin remains the best treatment for reducing this risk. It is essential to make sure patients with PV understand the importance of taking an aspirin, even at a low dosage.

The second step is trying to control patients’ red blood cell counts. Phlebotomy has been used for this purpose for many decades and continues to be effective. You will find some experts in the field who consider phlebotomy to be the mainstay of treatment for patients with PV, and that it has benefits in and of itself.

However, despite the benefits, phlebotomy can be a little tough on patients. For instance, patients with PV cannot donate blood at a traditional blood center such as Red Cross, and therefore need to go to an actual infusion center. They also must stop their day and travel to a site to receive therapeutic phlebotomy treatment, which is most effective for patients with a blood disorder. I work in Seattle taking care of patients throughout the Northwest, and it is not always easy to find a close location to send patients for phlebotomy. Nevertheless, phlebotomy should be part of the treatment options for patients with PV, especially patients in the high-risk range who have high hemoglobin and hematocrit values.

The third step is controlling hemoglobin and hematocrit levels. Hydroxyurea is our standard of care with strong beneficial data for this purpose.

These are the 3 approaches to treatment we initially discuss with our patients during their first visit. These 3 strategies can improve a patient's life and reduce their risk for thrombosis.

Which treatment do you recommend depending on the patient’s symptoms?

Dr. Richard: The treatment that we offer can vary. The first thing I want to know is how their symptoms respond to aspirin. For instance, symptoms such as erythromelalgia oftentimes respond beautifully to aspirin. Most patients do not have massive splenomegaly—that would give me a high suspicion for myelofibrosis—but they can develop and present with some level of splenomegaly.

If the symptoms are bothersome to the patient, I will probably want to get them on some kind of cytoreduction to see if that is effective. Hydroxyurea, although not as effective as aspirin and associated with adverse effects in some patients, is a good medication to start cytoreductive therapy. The National Comprehensive Cancer Network® (NCCN®) Guidelines suggest that if a patient taking hydroxyurea experiences severe gastrointestinal (GI) toxicity, go ahead and move to a Janus kinase 2 (JAK2) inhibitor or try interferon. JAK2 inhibition with ruxolitinib, in this case, is effective, at least initially for treating splenomegaly. Unfortunately, symptoms sometimes get confused with effects from the medications. You have to use an individualized treatment approach and see what works for each patient.
 

What are some of the common adverse effects of treatment?

Dr. Richard: As you probably can tell, I never skip aspirin since it is such an important part of treatment for patients with PV. However, I do talk to patients about GI upset and the bleeding risks, such as the potential for GI bleed. Obviously, clotting is what causes an increase in morbidity and mortality, but bleeding can be an important adverse effect with platelets that do not function, or for other issues.

Hydroxyurea is generally well tolerated, but some patients can develop skin issues or ulcers due to GI toxicity. I have a lot of confidence in the use of hydroxyurea, and I use it without hesitation. However, you may have a patient who already has a relatively low neutrophil count or has some level of thrombocytopenia from either liver disease or some other issue, and they just cannot tolerate hydroxyurea. Some other bothersome symptoms include change of taste, skin changes, and brittle nails. It can be tricky. I will attempt hydroxyurea, if needed, but sometimes they just cannot tolerate it.

What happens when a patient cannot tolerate one or all the medications you mentioned?

Dr. Richard: Now that we have JAK2 inhibitors, ruxolitinib is generally my choice for patients who cannot tolerate hydroxyurea, which is more common than maybe we would like. Other problems with hydroxyurea include that it might not work, or phlebotomy combined with hydroxyurea results in cytopenias, or patients have a particularly aggressive form of PV.

There are numerous other JAK2 drug inhibitors on the market for myelofibrosis. The assumption is they probably work as well as ruxolitinib for PV, but right now ruxolitinib is what is approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for these patients.

The other drug that we do not use much is interferon, or now, pegylated interferon. It is a drug that has been around for a long time and worked well in chronic myelogenous leukemia before we had the tyrosine kinase inhibitors. Pegylated interferon is a well-tolerated drug that can be used for patients with PV who are pregnant or could get pregnant. It is not the interferon of our parents or grandparents. We now have options for controlling the disease and its complications, but the hardest thing is to tell patients that none of these treatments are going to cure them or reverse the overproduction of red blood cells in their bone marrow. There has always been discussion about whether there could be some effect of interferon on the actual tumor burden, but that remains to be proven.

Can you go a little bit more into your recommended approach to managing newly diagnosed patients with PV in your day-to-day practice?

Dr. Richard: Oftentimes these patients are identified through our consultation service. It can be hard on the primary care physician to identify whether a patient has secondary or primary PV.

We are lucky now that JAK2 has been identified. The JAK2-V617F and the other exon 12 mutations were identified back in 2006 by several groups and is a great test. With JAK2 along with an erythropoietin test, you can feel confident whether you have identified PV.

PV encompasses a wide variety of syndromes. Patients can come into the office with terrible symptoms, including aquagenic pruritus or erythromelalgia. I have seen young people in their 30s who happen to have a slightly elevated hematocrit and a positive JAK2 test. When this occurs, you try to understand how much the disease is affecting their life, whether they are going to be in a high-risk category or a low-risk category, whether they have had thrombosis, and how their age figures into all of it. To try to figure out this high-risk versus low-risk factor, we use a simple staging system to help determine whether they are going to need cytoreductive therapy or whether you can just start with phlebotomy and see how they do.

Oftentimes in the first visit, I recommend a bone marrow study. Is that going to be true 5 years from now? I am not sure. You know, next-generation sequencing (NGS) is turning into such an important part of determining prognosis in these patients. It helps if you have a great colleague down in hematopathology who can look at the bone marrow as it relates to megakaryocyte morphology, or whether there is early fibrosis.

Although these techniques may not be as prominent in practice today for determining diagnosis, they help us understand the prognosis. A bone marrow study or NGS is particularly useful when you have patients who you are convinced have PV, but it turns out they already have extensive fibrosis and are actually moving more toward the post-polycythemia phase a little faster than you think. While we do not use an allogeneic transplant often, in this scenario we may recommend it. Our primary goal at this point is to try to determine which patients would benefit from a transplant early on and to prepare the patient for this option.

What socioeconomic disparities have you observed in newly diagnosed patients?

Dr. Richard: There are definitely social disparities for people who have low income. I work in a veteran’s hospital where we take care of a lot of people who do not have health insurance, but who come to the VA because they do have benefits. If they are in our system, they get identified and their care is great. However, if they have been out in the regular system without health insurance, oftentimes they get diagnosed late. Identifying and treating patients from low socioeconomic backgrounds is an issue. I think everyone can agree with that.

We have a delicate situation with women veterans. Something that is incredibly painful that I think people should be aware of is the amount of military sexual trauma (MST) that has occurred over the years. These patients are in a unique place of trust with their care providers. They have spent a lot of time not being listened to in a variety of arenas. I see this in young military women who no one expects to have a stem cell disorder. We as health care providers do them a disservice if their complaints lead to referral to a psychotherapist or being prescribed a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug or something like that. As health care providers, we are in a unique position to listen to and accurately evaluate these patients. We have a large population of veterans and, increasingly more women veterans, but I think we can all agree that they need better care, especially if they have suffered from MST. That is what I see in my patient population.

When I was a resident in Baltimore, it was Black people with lower income who did not trust doctors. We still have a lot of work to do.

Dr. Richard: The first thing we as physicians are worried about is patients with PV developing thrombosis. We start prophylaxis with aspirin, as aspirin remains the best treatment for reducing this risk. It is essential to make sure patients with PV understand the importance of taking an aspirin, even at a low dosage.

The second step is trying to control patients’ red blood cell counts. Phlebotomy has been used for this purpose for many decades and continues to be effective. You will find some experts in the field who consider phlebotomy to be the mainstay of treatment for patients with PV, and that it has benefits in and of itself.

However, despite the benefits, phlebotomy can be a little tough on patients. For instance, patients with PV cannot donate blood at a traditional blood center such as Red Cross, and therefore need to go to an actual infusion center. They also must stop their day and travel to a site to receive therapeutic phlebotomy treatment, which is most effective for patients with a blood disorder. I work in Seattle taking care of patients throughout the Northwest, and it is not always easy to find a close location to send patients for phlebotomy. Nevertheless, phlebotomy should be part of the treatment options for patients with PV, especially patients in the high-risk range who have high hemoglobin and hematocrit values.

The third step is controlling hemoglobin and hematocrit levels. Hydroxyurea is our standard of care with strong beneficial data for this purpose.

These are the 3 approaches to treatment we initially discuss with our patients during their first visit. These 3 strategies can improve a patient's life and reduce their risk for thrombosis.

Which treatment do you recommend depending on the patient’s symptoms?

Dr. Richard: The treatment that we offer can vary. The first thing I want to know is how their symptoms respond to aspirin. For instance, symptoms such as erythromelalgia oftentimes respond beautifully to aspirin. Most patients do not have massive splenomegaly—that would give me a high suspicion for myelofibrosis—but they can develop and present with some level of splenomegaly.

If the symptoms are bothersome to the patient, I will probably want to get them on some kind of cytoreduction to see if that is effective. Hydroxyurea, although not as effective as aspirin and associated with adverse effects in some patients, is a good medication to start cytoreductive therapy. The National Comprehensive Cancer Network® (NCCN®) Guidelines suggest that if a patient taking hydroxyurea experiences severe gastrointestinal (GI) toxicity, go ahead and move to a Janus kinase 2 (JAK2) inhibitor or try interferon. JAK2 inhibition with ruxolitinib, in this case, is effective, at least initially for treating splenomegaly. Unfortunately, symptoms sometimes get confused with effects from the medications. You have to use an individualized treatment approach and see what works for each patient.
 

What are some of the common adverse effects of treatment?

Dr. Richard: As you probably can tell, I never skip aspirin since it is such an important part of treatment for patients with PV. However, I do talk to patients about GI upset and the bleeding risks, such as the potential for GI bleed. Obviously, clotting is what causes an increase in morbidity and mortality, but bleeding can be an important adverse effect with platelets that do not function, or for other issues.

Hydroxyurea is generally well tolerated, but some patients can develop skin issues or ulcers due to GI toxicity. I have a lot of confidence in the use of hydroxyurea, and I use it without hesitation. However, you may have a patient who already has a relatively low neutrophil count or has some level of thrombocytopenia from either liver disease or some other issue, and they just cannot tolerate hydroxyurea. Some other bothersome symptoms include change of taste, skin changes, and brittle nails. It can be tricky. I will attempt hydroxyurea, if needed, but sometimes they just cannot tolerate it.

What happens when a patient cannot tolerate one or all the medications you mentioned?

Dr. Richard: Now that we have JAK2 inhibitors, ruxolitinib is generally my choice for patients who cannot tolerate hydroxyurea, which is more common than maybe we would like. Other problems with hydroxyurea include that it might not work, or phlebotomy combined with hydroxyurea results in cytopenias, or patients have a particularly aggressive form of PV.

There are numerous other JAK2 drug inhibitors on the market for myelofibrosis. The assumption is they probably work as well as ruxolitinib for PV, but right now ruxolitinib is what is approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for these patients.

The other drug that we do not use much is interferon, or now, pegylated interferon. It is a drug that has been around for a long time and worked well in chronic myelogenous leukemia before we had the tyrosine kinase inhibitors. Pegylated interferon is a well-tolerated drug that can be used for patients with PV who are pregnant or could get pregnant. It is not the interferon of our parents or grandparents. We now have options for controlling the disease and its complications, but the hardest thing is to tell patients that none of these treatments are going to cure them or reverse the overproduction of red blood cells in their bone marrow. There has always been discussion about whether there could be some effect of interferon on the actual tumor burden, but that remains to be proven.

Can you go a little bit more into your recommended approach to managing newly diagnosed patients with PV in your day-to-day practice?

Dr. Richard: Oftentimes these patients are identified through our consultation service. It can be hard on the primary care physician to identify whether a patient has secondary or primary PV.

We are lucky now that JAK2 has been identified. The JAK2-V617F and the other exon 12 mutations were identified back in 2006 by several groups and is a great test. With JAK2 along with an erythropoietin test, you can feel confident whether you have identified PV.

PV encompasses a wide variety of syndromes. Patients can come into the office with terrible symptoms, including aquagenic pruritus or erythromelalgia. I have seen young people in their 30s who happen to have a slightly elevated hematocrit and a positive JAK2 test. When this occurs, you try to understand how much the disease is affecting their life, whether they are going to be in a high-risk category or a low-risk category, whether they have had thrombosis, and how their age figures into all of it. To try to figure out this high-risk versus low-risk factor, we use a simple staging system to help determine whether they are going to need cytoreductive therapy or whether you can just start with phlebotomy and see how they do.

Oftentimes in the first visit, I recommend a bone marrow study. Is that going to be true 5 years from now? I am not sure. You know, next-generation sequencing (NGS) is turning into such an important part of determining prognosis in these patients. It helps if you have a great colleague down in hematopathology who can look at the bone marrow as it relates to megakaryocyte morphology, or whether there is early fibrosis.

Although these techniques may not be as prominent in practice today for determining diagnosis, they help us understand the prognosis. A bone marrow study or NGS is particularly useful when you have patients who you are convinced have PV, but it turns out they already have extensive fibrosis and are actually moving more toward the post-polycythemia phase a little faster than you think. While we do not use an allogeneic transplant often, in this scenario we may recommend it. Our primary goal at this point is to try to determine which patients would benefit from a transplant early on and to prepare the patient for this option.

What socioeconomic disparities have you observed in newly diagnosed patients?

Dr. Richard: There are definitely social disparities for people who have low income. I work in a veteran’s hospital where we take care of a lot of people who do not have health insurance, but who come to the VA because they do have benefits. If they are in our system, they get identified and their care is great. However, if they have been out in the regular system without health insurance, oftentimes they get diagnosed late. Identifying and treating patients from low socioeconomic backgrounds is an issue. I think everyone can agree with that.

We have a delicate situation with women veterans. Something that is incredibly painful that I think people should be aware of is the amount of military sexual trauma (MST) that has occurred over the years. These patients are in a unique place of trust with their care providers. They have spent a lot of time not being listened to in a variety of arenas. I see this in young military women who no one expects to have a stem cell disorder. We as health care providers do them a disservice if their complaints lead to referral to a psychotherapist or being prescribed a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug or something like that. As health care providers, we are in a unique position to listen to and accurately evaluate these patients. We have a large population of veterans and, increasingly more women veterans, but I think we can all agree that they need better care, especially if they have suffered from MST. That is what I see in my patient population.

When I was a resident in Baltimore, it was Black people with lower income who did not trust doctors. We still have a lot of work to do.

From Ayurveda to the teachings of Hippocrates, medicine’s earliest traditions advanced a belief that the gut was the foundation of all health and disease. It wasn’t until recently, however, that Western medicine has adopted the notion of gut-barrier dysfunction as a pathologic phenomenon critical to not only digestive health but also chronic allergic, inflammatory, and autoimmune disease.

To learn more, Medscape contributor Akash Goel, MD, interviewed Elena Ivanina, DO, MPH, an integrative gastroenterologist, on the role of the gut barrier. Dr. Ivanina is the founder of the Center for Integrative Gut Health and the former director of Neurogastroenterology and Motility at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York. She runs the educational platform for all things gut health, gutlove.com.

What is the role of the gut barrier in overall health and disease?

The gut contains the human body’s largest interface between a person and their external environment. The actual interface is at the gut barrier, where there needs to be an ideal homeostasis and selectivity mechanism to allow the absorption of healthy nutrients, but on the other hand prevent the penetration of harmful microbes, food antigens, and other proinflammatory factors and toxins.

The gut barrier is made up of the mucus layer, gut microbiome, epithelial cells, and immune cells in the lamina propria. When this apparatus is disrupted by factors such as infection, low-fiber diet, antibiotics, and alcohol, then it cannot function normally to selectively keep out the harmful intraluminal substances.

Gut-barrier disruption leads to translocation of dangerous intraluminal components, such as bacteria and their components, into the gut wall and, most importantly, exposes the immune system to them. This causes improper immune activation and dysregulation, which has been shown to lead to various diseases, including gastrointestinal inflammatory disorders such as inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) and celiac disease, systemic autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, and metabolic diseases such as obesity and diabetes.



Is disruption of this barrier what is usually referred to as “leaky gut”?

Leaky gut is a colloquial term for increased intestinal permeability or intestinal hyperpermeability. In a 2019 review article, Dr. Michael Camilleri exposes leaky gut as a term that can be misleading and confusing to the general population. It calls upon clinicians to have an increased awareness of the potential of barrier dysfunction in diseases, and to consider the barrier as a target for treatment.



Is leaky gut more of a mechanism of underlying chronic disease or is it a disease of its own?

Intestinal permeability is a pathophysiologic process in the gut with certain risk factors that in some conditions has been shown to precede chronic disease. There has not been any convincing evidence that it can be diagnosed and treated as its own entity, but research is ongoing.

In IBD, the Crohn’s and Colitis Canada Genetic, Environmental, Microbial Project research consortium has been studying individuals at increased risk for Crohn’s disease because of a first-degree family member with Crohn’s disease. They found an increased abundance of Ruminococcus torques in the microbiomes of at-risk individuals who went on to develop the disease. R. torques are mucin degraders that induce an increase in other mucin-using bacteria, which can contribute to gut-barrier compromise.

In other studies, patients have been found to have asymptomatic intestinal hyperpermeability years before their diagnosis of Crohn’s disease. This supports understanding more about the potential of intestinal hyperpermeability as its own diagnosis that, if addressed, could possibly prevent disease development.
 

The many possible sources of gut-barrier disruption

What causes leaky gut, and when should physicians and patients be suspicious if they have it?

There are many risk factors that have been associated with leaky gut in both human studies and animal studies, including acrolein (food toxin), aging, alcohol, antacid drugs, antibiotics, burn injury, chemotherapy, circadian rhythm disruption, corticosteroids, emulsifiers (food additives), strenuous exercise (≥ 2 hours) at 60% VO₂ max, starvation, fructose, fructans, gliadin (wheat protein), high-fat diet, high-salt diet, high-sugar diet, hyperglycemia, low-fiber diet, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, pesticide, proinflammatory cytokines, psychological stress, radiation, sleep deprivation, smoking, and sweeteners.

Patients may be completely asymptomatic with leaky gut. Physicians should be suspicious if there is a genetic predisposition to chronic disease or if any risk factors are unveiled after assessing diet and lifestyle exposures.



What is the role of the Western diet and processed food consumption in driving disruptions of the gut barrier?

The Western diet reduces gut-barrier mucus thickness, leading to increased gut permeability. People who consume a Western diet typically eat less than 15 grams of fiber per day, which is significantly less than many other cultures, including the hunter-gatherers of Tanzania (Hadza), who get 100 or more grams of fiber a day in their food.

With a fiber-depleted diet, gut microbiota that normally feed on fiber gradually disappear and other commensals shift their metabolism to degrade the gut-barrier mucus layer.

A low-fiber diet also decreases short-chain fatty acid production, which reduces production of mucus and affects tight junction regulation.
 

Emerging evidence on causality

New evidence is demonstrating that previous functional conditions of the gastrointestinal tract, like functional dyspepsia, are associated with abnormalities to the intestinal barrier. What is the association between conditions like functional dyspepsia and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) with gut-barrier disruption?

Conditions such as functional dyspepsia and IBS are similar in that their pathophysiology is incompletely understood and likely attributable to contributions from many different underlying mechanisms. This makes it difficult for clinicians to explain the condition to patients and often to treat without specific therapeutic targets.

Emerging evidence with new diagnostic tools, such as confocal laser endomicroscopy, has demonstrated altered mucosal barrier function in both conditions.

In patients with IBS who have a suspected food intolerance, studies looking at exposure to the food antigens found that the food caused immediate breaks, increased intervillous spaces, and increased inflammatory cells in the gut mucosa. These changes were associated with patient responses to exclusion diets.

In functional dyspepsia, another study, using confocal laser endomicroscopy, has shown that affected patients have significantly greater epithelial gap density in the duodenum, compared with healthy controls. There was also impaired duodenal-epithelial barrier integrity and evidence of increased cellular pyroptosis in the duodenal mucosa.

These findings suggest that while IBS and functional dyspepsia are still likely multifactorial, there may be a common preclinical state that can be further investigated as far as preventing its development and using it as a therapeutic target.



What diagnostic testing are you using to determine whether patients have disruptions to the gut barrier? Are they validated or more experimental?

There are various testing strategies that have been used in research to diagnose intestinal hyperpermeability. In a 2021 analysis, Dr. Michael Camilleri found that the optimal probes for measuring small intestinal and colonic permeability are the mass excreted of 13C-mannitol at 0-2 hours and lactulose during 2-8 hours or sucralose during 8-24 hours. Studies looking at postinfectious IBS have incorporated elevated urinary lactulose/mannitol ratios. Dr. Alessio Fasano and others have looked at using zonulin as a biomarker of impaired gut-barrier function. These tests are still considered experimental.



Is there an association between alterations in the gut microbiome and gut-barrier disruption?

There is an integral relationship between the gut microbiome and gut-barrier function, and dysbiosis can disrupt gut-barrier functionality.

The microbiota produce a variety of metabolites in close proximity to the gut epithelium, impacting gut-barrier function and immune response. For example, short-chain fatty acids produced by Bifidobacterium, Bacteroides, Enterobacter, Faecalibacterium, and Roseburia species impact host immune cell differentiation and metabolism as well as influence susceptibility to pathogens.

Studies have shown that sodium butyrate significantly improves epithelial-barrier function. Other experiments have used transplantation of the intestinal microbiota to show that introduction of certain microbial phenotypes can significantly increase gut permeability.
 

Practical advice for clinicians and patients

How do you advise patients to avoid gut-barrier disruption?

It is important to educate and counsel patients about the long list of risk factors, many of which are closely related to a Western diet and lifestyle, which can increase their risk for leaky gut.

Once one has it, can it be repaired? Can you share a bit about your protocols in general terms?

Many interventions have been shown to improve intestinal permeability. They include berberine, butyrate, caloric restriction and fasting, curcumin, dietary fiber (prebiotics), moderate exercise, fermented food, fish oil, glutamine, quercetin, probiotics, vagus nerve stimulation, vitamin D, and zinc.

Protocols have to be tailored to patients and their risk factors, diet, and lifestyle.

What are some tips from a nutrition and lifestyle standpoint that patients can follow to ensure a robust gut barrier?

It is important to emphasize a high-fiber diet with naturally fermented food, incorporating time-restricted eating, such as eating an early dinner and nothing else before bedtime, a moderate exercise routine, and gut-brain modulation with techniques such as acupuncture that can incorporate vagus nerve stimulation. Limited safe precision supplementation can be discussed on an individual basis based on the patient’s interest, additional testing, and other existing health conditions.
 

Dr. Akash Goel is a clinical assistant professor of medicine at Weill Cornell in gastroenterology and hepatology. He has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. His work has appeared on networks and publications such as CNN, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and Financial Times. He has a deep interest in nutrition, food as medicine, and the intersection between the gut microbiome and human health.

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

From Ayurveda to the teachings of Hippocrates, medicine’s earliest traditions advanced a belief that the gut was the foundation of all health and disease. It wasn’t until recently, however, that Western medicine has adopted the notion of gut-barrier dysfunction as a pathologic phenomenon critical to not only digestive health but also chronic allergic, inflammatory, and autoimmune disease.

To learn more, Medscape contributor Akash Goel, MD, interviewed Elena Ivanina, DO, MPH, an integrative gastroenterologist, on the role of the gut barrier. Dr. Ivanina is the founder of the Center for Integrative Gut Health and the former director of Neurogastroenterology and Motility at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York. She runs the educational platform for all things gut health, gutlove.com.

What is the role of the gut barrier in overall health and disease?

The gut contains the human body’s largest interface between a person and their external environment. The actual interface is at the gut barrier, where there needs to be an ideal homeostasis and selectivity mechanism to allow the absorption of healthy nutrients, but on the other hand prevent the penetration of harmful microbes, food antigens, and other proinflammatory factors and toxins.

The gut barrier is made up of the mucus layer, gut microbiome, epithelial cells, and immune cells in the lamina propria. When this apparatus is disrupted by factors such as infection, low-fiber diet, antibiotics, and alcohol, then it cannot function normally to selectively keep out the harmful intraluminal substances.

Gut-barrier disruption leads to translocation of dangerous intraluminal components, such as bacteria and their components, into the gut wall and, most importantly, exposes the immune system to them. This causes improper immune activation and dysregulation, which has been shown to lead to various diseases, including gastrointestinal inflammatory disorders such as inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) and celiac disease, systemic autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, and metabolic diseases such as obesity and diabetes.



Is disruption of this barrier what is usually referred to as “leaky gut”?

Leaky gut is a colloquial term for increased intestinal permeability or intestinal hyperpermeability. In a 2019 review article, Dr. Michael Camilleri exposes leaky gut as a term that can be misleading and confusing to the general population. It calls upon clinicians to have an increased awareness of the potential of barrier dysfunction in diseases, and to consider the barrier as a target for treatment.



Is leaky gut more of a mechanism of underlying chronic disease or is it a disease of its own?

Intestinal permeability is a pathophysiologic process in the gut with certain risk factors that in some conditions has been shown to precede chronic disease. There has not been any convincing evidence that it can be diagnosed and treated as its own entity, but research is ongoing.

In IBD, the Crohn’s and Colitis Canada Genetic, Environmental, Microbial Project research consortium has been studying individuals at increased risk for Crohn’s disease because of a first-degree family member with Crohn’s disease. They found an increased abundance of Ruminococcus torques in the microbiomes of at-risk individuals who went on to develop the disease. R. torques are mucin degraders that induce an increase in other mucin-using bacteria, which can contribute to gut-barrier compromise.

In other studies, patients have been found to have asymptomatic intestinal hyperpermeability years before their diagnosis of Crohn’s disease. This supports understanding more about the potential of intestinal hyperpermeability as its own diagnosis that, if addressed, could possibly prevent disease development.
 

The many possible sources of gut-barrier disruption

What causes leaky gut, and when should physicians and patients be suspicious if they have it?

There are many risk factors that have been associated with leaky gut in both human studies and animal studies, including acrolein (food toxin), aging, alcohol, antacid drugs, antibiotics, burn injury, chemotherapy, circadian rhythm disruption, corticosteroids, emulsifiers (food additives), strenuous exercise (≥ 2 hours) at 60% VO₂ max, starvation, fructose, fructans, gliadin (wheat protein), high-fat diet, high-salt diet, high-sugar diet, hyperglycemia, low-fiber diet, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, pesticide, proinflammatory cytokines, psychological stress, radiation, sleep deprivation, smoking, and sweeteners.

Patients may be completely asymptomatic with leaky gut. Physicians should be suspicious if there is a genetic predisposition to chronic disease or if any risk factors are unveiled after assessing diet and lifestyle exposures.



What is the role of the Western diet and processed food consumption in driving disruptions of the gut barrier?

The Western diet reduces gut-barrier mucus thickness, leading to increased gut permeability. People who consume a Western diet typically eat less than 15 grams of fiber per day, which is significantly less than many other cultures, including the hunter-gatherers of Tanzania (Hadza), who get 100 or more grams of fiber a day in their food.

With a fiber-depleted diet, gut microbiota that normally feed on fiber gradually disappear and other commensals shift their metabolism to degrade the gut-barrier mucus layer.

A low-fiber diet also decreases short-chain fatty acid production, which reduces production of mucus and affects tight junction regulation.
 

Emerging evidence on causality

New evidence is demonstrating that previous functional conditions of the gastrointestinal tract, like functional dyspepsia, are associated with abnormalities to the intestinal barrier. What is the association between conditions like functional dyspepsia and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) with gut-barrier disruption?

Conditions such as functional dyspepsia and IBS are similar in that their pathophysiology is incompletely understood and likely attributable to contributions from many different underlying mechanisms. This makes it difficult for clinicians to explain the condition to patients and often to treat without specific therapeutic targets.

Emerging evidence with new diagnostic tools, such as confocal laser endomicroscopy, has demonstrated altered mucosal barrier function in both conditions.

In patients with IBS who have a suspected food intolerance, studies looking at exposure to the food antigens found that the food caused immediate breaks, increased intervillous spaces, and increased inflammatory cells in the gut mucosa. These changes were associated with patient responses to exclusion diets.

In functional dyspepsia, another study, using confocal laser endomicroscopy, has shown that affected patients have significantly greater epithelial gap density in the duodenum, compared with healthy controls. There was also impaired duodenal-epithelial barrier integrity and evidence of increased cellular pyroptosis in the duodenal mucosa.

These findings suggest that while IBS and functional dyspepsia are still likely multifactorial, there may be a common preclinical state that can be further investigated as far as preventing its development and using it as a therapeutic target.



What diagnostic testing are you using to determine whether patients have disruptions to the gut barrier? Are they validated or more experimental?

There are various testing strategies that have been used in research to diagnose intestinal hyperpermeability. In a 2021 analysis, Dr. Michael Camilleri found that the optimal probes for measuring small intestinal and colonic permeability are the mass excreted of 13C-mannitol at 0-2 hours and lactulose during 2-8 hours or sucralose during 8-24 hours. Studies looking at postinfectious IBS have incorporated elevated urinary lactulose/mannitol ratios. Dr. Alessio Fasano and others have looked at using zonulin as a biomarker of impaired gut-barrier function. These tests are still considered experimental.



Is there an association between alterations in the gut microbiome and gut-barrier disruption?

There is an integral relationship between the gut microbiome and gut-barrier function, and dysbiosis can disrupt gut-barrier functionality.

The microbiota produce a variety of metabolites in close proximity to the gut epithelium, impacting gut-barrier function and immune response. For example, short-chain fatty acids produced by Bifidobacterium, Bacteroides, Enterobacter, Faecalibacterium, and Roseburia species impact host immune cell differentiation and metabolism as well as influence susceptibility to pathogens.

Studies have shown that sodium butyrate significantly improves epithelial-barrier function. Other experiments have used transplantation of the intestinal microbiota to show that introduction of certain microbial phenotypes can significantly increase gut permeability.
 

Practical advice for clinicians and patients

How do you advise patients to avoid gut-barrier disruption?

It is important to educate and counsel patients about the long list of risk factors, many of which are closely related to a Western diet and lifestyle, which can increase their risk for leaky gut.

Once one has it, can it be repaired? Can you share a bit about your protocols in general terms?

Many interventions have been shown to improve intestinal permeability. They include berberine, butyrate, caloric restriction and fasting, curcumin, dietary fiber (prebiotics), moderate exercise, fermented food, fish oil, glutamine, quercetin, probiotics, vagus nerve stimulation, vitamin D, and zinc.

Protocols have to be tailored to patients and their risk factors, diet, and lifestyle.

What are some tips from a nutrition and lifestyle standpoint that patients can follow to ensure a robust gut barrier?

It is important to emphasize a high-fiber diet with naturally fermented food, incorporating time-restricted eating, such as eating an early dinner and nothing else before bedtime, a moderate exercise routine, and gut-brain modulation with techniques such as acupuncture that can incorporate vagus nerve stimulation. Limited safe precision supplementation can be discussed on an individual basis based on the patient’s interest, additional testing, and other existing health conditions.
 

Dr. Akash Goel is a clinical assistant professor of medicine at Weill Cornell in gastroenterology and hepatology. He has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. His work has appeared on networks and publications such as CNN, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and Financial Times. He has a deep interest in nutrition, food as medicine, and the intersection between the gut microbiome and human health.

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

From Ayurveda to the teachings of Hippocrates, medicine’s earliest traditions advanced a belief that the gut was the foundation of all health and disease. It wasn’t until recently, however, that Western medicine has adopted the notion of gut-barrier dysfunction as a pathologic phenomenon critical to not only digestive health but also chronic allergic, inflammatory, and autoimmune disease.

To learn more, Medscape contributor Akash Goel, MD, interviewed Elena Ivanina, DO, MPH, an integrative gastroenterologist, on the role of the gut barrier. Dr. Ivanina is the founder of the Center for Integrative Gut Health and the former director of Neurogastroenterology and Motility at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York. She runs the educational platform for all things gut health, gutlove.com.

What is the role of the gut barrier in overall health and disease?

The gut contains the human body’s largest interface between a person and their external environment. The actual interface is at the gut barrier, where there needs to be an ideal homeostasis and selectivity mechanism to allow the absorption of healthy nutrients, but on the other hand prevent the penetration of harmful microbes, food antigens, and other proinflammatory factors and toxins.

The gut barrier is made up of the mucus layer, gut microbiome, epithelial cells, and immune cells in the lamina propria. When this apparatus is disrupted by factors such as infection, low-fiber diet, antibiotics, and alcohol, then it cannot function normally to selectively keep out the harmful intraluminal substances.

Gut-barrier disruption leads to translocation of dangerous intraluminal components, such as bacteria and their components, into the gut wall and, most importantly, exposes the immune system to them. This causes improper immune activation and dysregulation, which has been shown to lead to various diseases, including gastrointestinal inflammatory disorders such as inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) and celiac disease, systemic autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, and metabolic diseases such as obesity and diabetes.



Is disruption of this barrier what is usually referred to as “leaky gut”?

Leaky gut is a colloquial term for increased intestinal permeability or intestinal hyperpermeability. In a 2019 review article, Dr. Michael Camilleri exposes leaky gut as a term that can be misleading and confusing to the general population. It calls upon clinicians to have an increased awareness of the potential of barrier dysfunction in diseases, and to consider the barrier as a target for treatment.



Is leaky gut more of a mechanism of underlying chronic disease or is it a disease of its own?

Intestinal permeability is a pathophysiologic process in the gut with certain risk factors that in some conditions has been shown to precede chronic disease. There has not been any convincing evidence that it can be diagnosed and treated as its own entity, but research is ongoing.

In IBD, the Crohn’s and Colitis Canada Genetic, Environmental, Microbial Project research consortium has been studying individuals at increased risk for Crohn’s disease because of a first-degree family member with Crohn’s disease. They found an increased abundance of Ruminococcus torques in the microbiomes of at-risk individuals who went on to develop the disease. R. torques are mucin degraders that induce an increase in other mucin-using bacteria, which can contribute to gut-barrier compromise.

In other studies, patients have been found to have asymptomatic intestinal hyperpermeability years before their diagnosis of Crohn’s disease. This supports understanding more about the potential of intestinal hyperpermeability as its own diagnosis that, if addressed, could possibly prevent disease development.
 

The many possible sources of gut-barrier disruption

What causes leaky gut, and when should physicians and patients be suspicious if they have it?

There are many risk factors that have been associated with leaky gut in both human studies and animal studies, including acrolein (food toxin), aging, alcohol, antacid drugs, antibiotics, burn injury, chemotherapy, circadian rhythm disruption, corticosteroids, emulsifiers (food additives), strenuous exercise (≥ 2 hours) at 60% VO₂ max, starvation, fructose, fructans, gliadin (wheat protein), high-fat diet, high-salt diet, high-sugar diet, hyperglycemia, low-fiber diet, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, pesticide, proinflammatory cytokines, psychological stress, radiation, sleep deprivation, smoking, and sweeteners.

Patients may be completely asymptomatic with leaky gut. Physicians should be suspicious if there is a genetic predisposition to chronic disease or if any risk factors are unveiled after assessing diet and lifestyle exposures.



What is the role of the Western diet and processed food consumption in driving disruptions of the gut barrier?

The Western diet reduces gut-barrier mucus thickness, leading to increased gut permeability. People who consume a Western diet typically eat less than 15 grams of fiber per day, which is significantly less than many other cultures, including the hunter-gatherers of Tanzania (Hadza), who get 100 or more grams of fiber a day in their food.

With a fiber-depleted diet, gut microbiota that normally feed on fiber gradually disappear and other commensals shift their metabolism to degrade the gut-barrier mucus layer.

A low-fiber diet also decreases short-chain fatty acid production, which reduces production of mucus and affects tight junction regulation.
 

Emerging evidence on causality

New evidence is demonstrating that previous functional conditions of the gastrointestinal tract, like functional dyspepsia, are associated with abnormalities to the intestinal barrier. What is the association between conditions like functional dyspepsia and irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) with gut-barrier disruption?

Conditions such as functional dyspepsia and IBS are similar in that their pathophysiology is incompletely understood and likely attributable to contributions from many different underlying mechanisms. This makes it difficult for clinicians to explain the condition to patients and often to treat without specific therapeutic targets.

Emerging evidence with new diagnostic tools, such as confocal laser endomicroscopy, has demonstrated altered mucosal barrier function in both conditions.

In patients with IBS who have a suspected food intolerance, studies looking at exposure to the food antigens found that the food caused immediate breaks, increased intervillous spaces, and increased inflammatory cells in the gut mucosa. These changes were associated with patient responses to exclusion diets.

In functional dyspepsia, another study, using confocal laser endomicroscopy, has shown that affected patients have significantly greater epithelial gap density in the duodenum, compared with healthy controls. There was also impaired duodenal-epithelial barrier integrity and evidence of increased cellular pyroptosis in the duodenal mucosa.

These findings suggest that while IBS and functional dyspepsia are still likely multifactorial, there may be a common preclinical state that can be further investigated as far as preventing its development and using it as a therapeutic target.



What diagnostic testing are you using to determine whether patients have disruptions to the gut barrier? Are they validated or more experimental?

There are various testing strategies that have been used in research to diagnose intestinal hyperpermeability. In a 2021 analysis, Dr. Michael Camilleri found that the optimal probes for measuring small intestinal and colonic permeability are the mass excreted of 13C-mannitol at 0-2 hours and lactulose during 2-8 hours or sucralose during 8-24 hours. Studies looking at postinfectious IBS have incorporated elevated urinary lactulose/mannitol ratios. Dr. Alessio Fasano and others have looked at using zonulin as a biomarker of impaired gut-barrier function. These tests are still considered experimental.



Is there an association between alterations in the gut microbiome and gut-barrier disruption?

There is an integral relationship between the gut microbiome and gut-barrier function, and dysbiosis can disrupt gut-barrier functionality.

The microbiota produce a variety of metabolites in close proximity to the gut epithelium, impacting gut-barrier function and immune response. For example, short-chain fatty acids produced by Bifidobacterium, Bacteroides, Enterobacter, Faecalibacterium, and Roseburia species impact host immune cell differentiation and metabolism as well as influence susceptibility to pathogens.

Studies have shown that sodium butyrate significantly improves epithelial-barrier function. Other experiments have used transplantation of the intestinal microbiota to show that introduction of certain microbial phenotypes can significantly increase gut permeability.
 

Practical advice for clinicians and patients

How do you advise patients to avoid gut-barrier disruption?

It is important to educate and counsel patients about the long list of risk factors, many of which are closely related to a Western diet and lifestyle, which can increase their risk for leaky gut.

Once one has it, can it be repaired? Can you share a bit about your protocols in general terms?

Many interventions have been shown to improve intestinal permeability. They include berberine, butyrate, caloric restriction and fasting, curcumin, dietary fiber (prebiotics), moderate exercise, fermented food, fish oil, glutamine, quercetin, probiotics, vagus nerve stimulation, vitamin D, and zinc.

Protocols have to be tailored to patients and their risk factors, diet, and lifestyle.

What are some tips from a nutrition and lifestyle standpoint that patients can follow to ensure a robust gut barrier?

It is important to emphasize a high-fiber diet with naturally fermented food, incorporating time-restricted eating, such as eating an early dinner and nothing else before bedtime, a moderate exercise routine, and gut-brain modulation with techniques such as acupuncture that can incorporate vagus nerve stimulation. Limited safe precision supplementation can be discussed on an individual basis based on the patient’s interest, additional testing, and other existing health conditions.
 

Dr. Akash Goel is a clinical assistant professor of medicine at Weill Cornell in gastroenterology and hepatology. He has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. His work has appeared on networks and publications such as CNN, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and Financial Times. He has a deep interest in nutrition, food as medicine, and the intersection between the gut microbiome and human health.

A version of this article appeared on Medscape.com.

More than 1 in 10 Americans over age 60 years will be diagnosed with cancer, according to the National Cancer Institute, making screening for the disease in older patients imperative. Much of the burden of cancer screening falls on primary care physicians. This news organization spoke recently with William L. Dahut, MD, chief scientific officer of the American Cancer Society, about the particular challenges of screening in older patients.

Question: How much does cancer screening change with age? What are the considerations for clinicians – what risks and comorbidities are important to consider in older populations?

Answer: We at the American Cancer Society are giving a lot of thought to how to help primary care practices keep up with screening, particularly with respect to guidelines, but also best practices where judgment is required, such as cancer screening in their older patients.

We’ve had a lot of conversations recently about cancer risk in the young, largely because data show rates are going up for colorectal and breast cancer in this population. But it’s not one size fits all. Screening for young women who have a BRCA gene, if they have dense breasts, or if they have a strong family history of breast cancer should be different from those who are at average risk of the disease.

But statistically, there are about 15 per 100,000 breast cancer diagnoses in women under the age of 40 while over the age of 65 it’s 443 per 100,000. So, the risk significantly increases with age but we should not have an arbitrary cut-off. The life expectancy of a woman at age 75 is about 13.5 years. If you’re over the age of 70 or 75, then it’s going to be comorbidities that you look at, as well as individual patient decisions. Patients may say, “I don’t want to ever go through a mammogram again, because I don’t want to have a biopsy again, and I’m not going to get treated.” Or they may say, “My mom died of metastatic breast cancer when she was 82 and I want to know.”
 

Q: How should primary care physicians interpret conflicting guidance from the major medical groups? For example, the American College of Gastroenterology and your own organization recommend colorectal cancer screening start at age 45 now. But the American College of Physicians recently came out and said 50. What is a well-meaning primary care physician supposed to do?

A: We make more of guideline differences than we should. Sometimes guideline differences aren’t a reflection of different judgments, but rather what data were available when the most recent update took place. For colorectal cancer screening, the ACS dropped the age to begin screening to 45 in 2018 based on a very careful consideration of disease burden data and within several years most other guideline developers reached the same conclusion.

However, I think it’s good for family practice and internal medicine doctors to know that significant GI symptoms in a young patient could be colorectal cancer. It’s not as if nobody sees a 34-year-old or 27-year-old with colorectal cancer. They should be aware that if something goes away in a day or two, that’s fine, but persistent GI symptoms need a cancer workup – colonoscopy or referral to a gastroenterologist. So that’s why I think age 45 is the time when folks should begin screening.
 

Q: What are the medical-legal issues for a physician who is trying to follow guideline-based care when there are different guidelines?

A: Any physician can say, “We follow the guidelines of this particular organization.” I don’t think anyone can say that an organization’s guidelines are malpractice. For individual physicians, following a set of office-based guidelines will hopefully keep them out of legal difficulty.

Q: What are the risks of overscreening, especially in breast cancer where false positives may result in invasive testing?

A: What people think of as overscreening takes a number of different forms. What one guideline would imply is overscreening is recommended screening by another guideline. I think we would all agree that in an average-risk population, beginning screening before it is recommended would be overscreening, and continuing screening when a patient has life-limiting comorbidities would constitute overscreening. Screening too frequently can constitute overscreening.

For example, many women report that their doctors still are advising a baseline mammogram at age 35. Most guideline-developing organizations would regard this as overscreening in an average-risk population.

I think we are also getting better, certainly in prostate cancer, about knowing who needs to be treated and not treated. There are a lot of cancers that would have been treated 20-30 years ago but now are being safely followed with PSA and MRI. We may be able to get to that point with breast cancer over time, too.
 

Q: Are you saying that there may be breast cancers for which active surveillance is appropriate? Is that already the case?

A: We’re not there yet. I think some of the DCIS breast cancers are part of the discussion on whether hormonal treatment or surgeries are done. I think people do have those discussions in the context of morbidity and life expectancy. Over time, we’re likely to have more cancers for which we won’t need surgical treatments.
 

Q: Why did the American Cancer Society change the upper limit for lung cancer screening from 75 to 80 years of age?

 A: For an individual older than 65, screening will now continue until the patient is 80, assuming the patient is in good health. According to the previous guideline, if a patient was 65 and more than 15 years beyond smoking cessation, then screening would end. This is exactly the time when we see lung cancers increase in the population and so a curable lung cancer would not previously have been detected by a screening CT scan. *  

Q: What role do the multicancer blood and DNA tests play in screening now?

A: As you know, the Exact Sciences Cologuard test is already included in major guidelines for colorectal cancer screening and covered by insurance. Our philosophy on multicancer early detection tests is that we’re supportive of Medicare reimbursement when two things occur: 1. When we know there’s clinical benefit, and 2. When the test has been approved by the FDA.

The multicancer early detection tests in development and undergoing prospective research would not now replace screening for the cancers with established screening programs, but if they are shown to have clinical utility for the cancers in their panel, we would be able to reduce deaths from cancers that mostly are diagnosed at late stages and have poor prognoses.

There’s going to be a need for expertise in primary care practices to help interpret the tests. These are new questions, which are well beyond what even the typical oncologist is trained in, much less primary care physicians. We and other organizations are working on providing those answers.
 

Q: While we’re on the subject of the future, how do you envision AI helping or hindering cancer screening specifically in primary care?

A: I think AI is going to help things for a couple of reasons. The ability of AI is to get through data quickly and get you information that’s personalized and useful. If AI tools could let a patient know their individual risk of a cancer in the near and long term, that would help the primary care doctor screen in an individualized way. I think AI is going to be able to improve both diagnostic radiology and pathology, and could make a very big difference in settings outside of large cancer centers that operate at high volume every day. The data look very promising for AI to contribute to risk estimation by operating like a second reader in imaging and pathology.
 

Q: Anything else you’d like to say on this subject that clinicians should know?

A: The questions about whether or not patients should be screened is being pushed on family practice doctors and internists and these questions require a relationship with the patient. A hard stopping point at age 70 when lots of people will live 20 years or more doesn’t make sense.

There’s very little data from randomized clinical trials of screening people over the age of 70. We know that cancer risk does obviously increase with age, particularly prostate and breast cancer. And these are the cancers that are going to be the most common in your practices. If someone has a known mutation, I think you’re going to look differently at screening them. And first-degree family members, particularly for the more aggressive cancers, should be considered for screening.

My philosophy on cancer screening in the elderly is that I think the guidelines are guidelines. If patients have very limited life expectancy, then they shouldn’t be screened. There are calculators that estimate life expectancy in the context of current age and current health status, and these can be useful for decision making and counseling. Patients never think their life expectancy is shorter than 10 years. If their life expectancy is longer than 10 years, then I think, all things being equal, they should continue screening, but the question of ongoing screening needs to be periodically revisited.

*This story was updated on Nov. 1, 2023.
 

More than 1 in 10 Americans over age 60 years will be diagnosed with cancer, according to the National Cancer Institute, making screening for the disease in older patients imperative. Much of the burden of cancer screening falls on primary care physicians. This news organization spoke recently with William L. Dahut, MD, chief scientific officer of the American Cancer Society, about the particular challenges of screening in older patients.

Question: How much does cancer screening change with age? What are the considerations for clinicians – what risks and comorbidities are important to consider in older populations?

Answer: We at the American Cancer Society are giving a lot of thought to how to help primary care practices keep up with screening, particularly with respect to guidelines, but also best practices where judgment is required, such as cancer screening in their older patients.

We’ve had a lot of conversations recently about cancer risk in the young, largely because data show rates are going up for colorectal and breast cancer in this population. But it’s not one size fits all. Screening for young women who have a BRCA gene, if they have dense breasts, or if they have a strong family history of breast cancer should be different from those who are at average risk of the disease.

But statistically, there are about 15 per 100,000 breast cancer diagnoses in women under the age of 40 while over the age of 65 it’s 443 per 100,000. So, the risk significantly increases with age but we should not have an arbitrary cut-off. The life expectancy of a woman at age 75 is about 13.5 years. If you’re over the age of 70 or 75, then it’s going to be comorbidities that you look at, as well as individual patient decisions. Patients may say, “I don’t want to ever go through a mammogram again, because I don’t want to have a biopsy again, and I’m not going to get treated.” Or they may say, “My mom died of metastatic breast cancer when she was 82 and I want to know.”
 

Q: How should primary care physicians interpret conflicting guidance from the major medical groups? For example, the American College of Gastroenterology and your own organization recommend colorectal cancer screening start at age 45 now. But the American College of Physicians recently came out and said 50. What is a well-meaning primary care physician supposed to do?

A: We make more of guideline differences than we should. Sometimes guideline differences aren’t a reflection of different judgments, but rather what data were available when the most recent update took place. For colorectal cancer screening, the ACS dropped the age to begin screening to 45 in 2018 based on a very careful consideration of disease burden data and within several years most other guideline developers reached the same conclusion.

However, I think it’s good for family practice and internal medicine doctors to know that significant GI symptoms in a young patient could be colorectal cancer. It’s not as if nobody sees a 34-year-old or 27-year-old with colorectal cancer. They should be aware that if something goes away in a day or two, that’s fine, but persistent GI symptoms need a cancer workup – colonoscopy or referral to a gastroenterologist. So that’s why I think age 45 is the time when folks should begin screening.
 

Q: What are the medical-legal issues for a physician who is trying to follow guideline-based care when there are different guidelines?

A: Any physician can say, “We follow the guidelines of this particular organization.” I don’t think anyone can say that an organization’s guidelines are malpractice. For individual physicians, following a set of office-based guidelines will hopefully keep them out of legal difficulty.

Q: What are the risks of overscreening, especially in breast cancer where false positives may result in invasive testing?

A: What people think of as overscreening takes a number of different forms. What one guideline would imply is overscreening is recommended screening by another guideline. I think we would all agree that in an average-risk population, beginning screening before it is recommended would be overscreening, and continuing screening when a patient has life-limiting comorbidities would constitute overscreening. Screening too frequently can constitute overscreening.

For example, many women report that their doctors still are advising a baseline mammogram at age 35. Most guideline-developing organizations would regard this as overscreening in an average-risk population.

I think we are also getting better, certainly in prostate cancer, about knowing who needs to be treated and not treated. There are a lot of cancers that would have been treated 20-30 years ago but now are being safely followed with PSA and MRI. We may be able to get to that point with breast cancer over time, too.
 

Q: Are you saying that there may be breast cancers for which active surveillance is appropriate? Is that already the case?

A: We’re not there yet. I think some of the DCIS breast cancers are part of the discussion on whether hormonal treatment or surgeries are done. I think people do have those discussions in the context of morbidity and life expectancy. Over time, we’re likely to have more cancers for which we won’t need surgical treatments.
 

Q: Why did the American Cancer Society change the upper limit for lung cancer screening from 75 to 80 years of age?

 A: For an individual older than 65, screening will now continue until the patient is 80, assuming the patient is in good health. According to the previous guideline, if a patient was 65 and more than 15 years beyond smoking cessation, then screening would end. This is exactly the time when we see lung cancers increase in the population and so a curable lung cancer would not previously have been detected by a screening CT scan. *  

Q: What role do the multicancer blood and DNA tests play in screening now?

A: As you know, the Exact Sciences Cologuard test is already included in major guidelines for colorectal cancer screening and covered by insurance. Our philosophy on multicancer early detection tests is that we’re supportive of Medicare reimbursement when two things occur: 1. When we know there’s clinical benefit, and 2. When the test has been approved by the FDA.

The multicancer early detection tests in development and undergoing prospective research would not now replace screening for the cancers with established screening programs, but if they are shown to have clinical utility for the cancers in their panel, we would be able to reduce deaths from cancers that mostly are diagnosed at late stages and have poor prognoses.

There’s going to be a need for expertise in primary care practices to help interpret the tests. These are new questions, which are well beyond what even the typical oncologist is trained in, much less primary care physicians. We and other organizations are working on providing those answers.
 

Q: While we’re on the subject of the future, how do you envision AI helping or hindering cancer screening specifically in primary care?

A: I think AI is going to help things for a couple of reasons. The ability of AI is to get through data quickly and get you information that’s personalized and useful. If AI tools could let a patient know their individual risk of a cancer in the near and long term, that would help the primary care doctor screen in an individualized way. I think AI is going to be able to improve both diagnostic radiology and pathology, and could make a very big difference in settings outside of large cancer centers that operate at high volume every day. The data look very promising for AI to contribute to risk estimation by operating like a second reader in imaging and pathology.
 

Q: Anything else you’d like to say on this subject that clinicians should know?

A: The questions about whether or not patients should be screened is being pushed on family practice doctors and internists and these questions require a relationship with the patient. A hard stopping point at age 70 when lots of people will live 20 years or more doesn’t make sense.

There’s very little data from randomized clinical trials of screening people over the age of 70. We know that cancer risk does obviously increase with age, particularly prostate and breast cancer. And these are the cancers that are going to be the most common in your practices. If someone has a known mutation, I think you’re going to look differently at screening them. And first-degree family members, particularly for the more aggressive cancers, should be considered for screening.

My philosophy on cancer screening in the elderly is that I think the guidelines are guidelines. If patients have very limited life expectancy, then they shouldn’t be screened. There are calculators that estimate life expectancy in the context of current age and current health status, and these can be useful for decision making and counseling. Patients never think their life expectancy is shorter than 10 years. If their life expectancy is longer than 10 years, then I think, all things being equal, they should continue screening, but the question of ongoing screening needs to be periodically revisited.

*This story was updated on Nov. 1, 2023.
 

More than 1 in 10 Americans over age 60 years will be diagnosed with cancer, according to the National Cancer Institute, making screening for the disease in older patients imperative. Much of the burden of cancer screening falls on primary care physicians. This news organization spoke recently with William L. Dahut, MD, chief scientific officer of the American Cancer Society, about the particular challenges of screening in older patients.

Question: How much does cancer screening change with age? What are the considerations for clinicians – what risks and comorbidities are important to consider in older populations?

Answer: We at the American Cancer Society are giving a lot of thought to how to help primary care practices keep up with screening, particularly with respect to guidelines, but also best practices where judgment is required, such as cancer screening in their older patients.

We’ve had a lot of conversations recently about cancer risk in the young, largely because data show rates are going up for colorectal and breast cancer in this population. But it’s not one size fits all. Screening for young women who have a BRCA gene, if they have dense breasts, or if they have a strong family history of breast cancer should be different from those who are at average risk of the disease.

But statistically, there are about 15 per 100,000 breast cancer diagnoses in women under the age of 40 while over the age of 65 it’s 443 per 100,000. So, the risk significantly increases with age but we should not have an arbitrary cut-off. The life expectancy of a woman at age 75 is about 13.5 years. If you’re over the age of 70 or 75, then it’s going to be comorbidities that you look at, as well as individual patient decisions. Patients may say, “I don’t want to ever go through a mammogram again, because I don’t want to have a biopsy again, and I’m not going to get treated.” Or they may say, “My mom died of metastatic breast cancer when she was 82 and I want to know.”
 

Q: How should primary care physicians interpret conflicting guidance from the major medical groups? For example, the American College of Gastroenterology and your own organization recommend colorectal cancer screening start at age 45 now. But the American College of Physicians recently came out and said 50. What is a well-meaning primary care physician supposed to do?

A: We make more of guideline differences than we should. Sometimes guideline differences aren’t a reflection of different judgments, but rather what data were available when the most recent update took place. For colorectal cancer screening, the ACS dropped the age to begin screening to 45 in 2018 based on a very careful consideration of disease burden data and within several years most other guideline developers reached the same conclusion.

However, I think it’s good for family practice and internal medicine doctors to know that significant GI symptoms in a young patient could be colorectal cancer. It’s not as if nobody sees a 34-year-old or 27-year-old with colorectal cancer. They should be aware that if something goes away in a day or two, that’s fine, but persistent GI symptoms need a cancer workup – colonoscopy or referral to a gastroenterologist. So that’s why I think age 45 is the time when folks should begin screening.
 

Q: What are the medical-legal issues for a physician who is trying to follow guideline-based care when there are different guidelines?

A: Any physician can say, “We follow the guidelines of this particular organization.” I don’t think anyone can say that an organization’s guidelines are malpractice. For individual physicians, following a set of office-based guidelines will hopefully keep them out of legal difficulty.

Q: What are the risks of overscreening, especially in breast cancer where false positives may result in invasive testing?

A: What people think of as overscreening takes a number of different forms. What one guideline would imply is overscreening is recommended screening by another guideline. I think we would all agree that in an average-risk population, beginning screening before it is recommended would be overscreening, and continuing screening when a patient has life-limiting comorbidities would constitute overscreening. Screening too frequently can constitute overscreening.

For example, many women report that their doctors still are advising a baseline mammogram at age 35. Most guideline-developing organizations would regard this as overscreening in an average-risk population.

I think we are also getting better, certainly in prostate cancer, about knowing who needs to be treated and not treated. There are a lot of cancers that would have been treated 20-30 years ago but now are being safely followed with PSA and MRI. We may be able to get to that point with breast cancer over time, too.
 

Q: Are you saying that there may be breast cancers for which active surveillance is appropriate? Is that already the case?

A: We’re not there yet. I think some of the DCIS breast cancers are part of the discussion on whether hormonal treatment or surgeries are done. I think people do have those discussions in the context of morbidity and life expectancy. Over time, we’re likely to have more cancers for which we won’t need surgical treatments.
 

Q: Why did the American Cancer Society change the upper limit for lung cancer screening from 75 to 80 years of age?

 A: For an individual older than 65, screening will now continue until the patient is 80, assuming the patient is in good health. According to the previous guideline, if a patient was 65 and more than 15 years beyond smoking cessation, then screening would end. This is exactly the time when we see lung cancers increase in the population and so a curable lung cancer would not previously have been detected by a screening CT scan. *  

Q: What role do the multicancer blood and DNA tests play in screening now?

A: As you know, the Exact Sciences Cologuard test is already included in major guidelines for colorectal cancer screening and covered by insurance. Our philosophy on multicancer early detection tests is that we’re supportive of Medicare reimbursement when two things occur: 1. When we know there’s clinical benefit, and 2. When the test has been approved by the FDA.

The multicancer early detection tests in development and undergoing prospective research would not now replace screening for the cancers with established screening programs, but if they are shown to have clinical utility for the cancers in their panel, we would be able to reduce deaths from cancers that mostly are diagnosed at late stages and have poor prognoses.

There’s going to be a need for expertise in primary care practices to help interpret the tests. These are new questions, which are well beyond what even the typical oncologist is trained in, much less primary care physicians. We and other organizations are working on providing those answers.
 

Q: While we’re on the subject of the future, how do you envision AI helping or hindering cancer screening specifically in primary care?

A: I think AI is going to help things for a couple of reasons. The ability of AI is to get through data quickly and get you information that’s personalized and useful. If AI tools could let a patient know their individual risk of a cancer in the near and long term, that would help the primary care doctor screen in an individualized way. I think AI is going to be able to improve both diagnostic radiology and pathology, and could make a very big difference in settings outside of large cancer centers that operate at high volume every day. The data look very promising for AI to contribute to risk estimation by operating like a second reader in imaging and pathology.
 

Q: Anything else you’d like to say on this subject that clinicians should know?

A: The questions about whether or not patients should be screened is being pushed on family practice doctors and internists and these questions require a relationship with the patient. A hard stopping point at age 70 when lots of people will live 20 years or more doesn’t make sense.

There’s very little data from randomized clinical trials of screening people over the age of 70. We know that cancer risk does obviously increase with age, particularly prostate and breast cancer. And these are the cancers that are going to be the most common in your practices. If someone has a known mutation, I think you’re going to look differently at screening them. And first-degree family members, particularly for the more aggressive cancers, should be considered for screening.

My philosophy on cancer screening in the elderly is that I think the guidelines are guidelines. If patients have very limited life expectancy, then they shouldn’t be screened. There are calculators that estimate life expectancy in the context of current age and current health status, and these can be useful for decision making and counseling. Patients never think their life expectancy is shorter than 10 years. If their life expectancy is longer than 10 years, then I think, all things being equal, they should continue screening, but the question of ongoing screening needs to be periodically revisited.

*This story was updated on Nov. 1, 2023.