Question: Why do you say that was the best decision you ever made?Dr. Mok: At that time, it took me about 2 weeks to make this important decision. Basically: I had to give up my big house and my big car in Canada and move back to a small apartment in Hong Kong. That was a tough decision to make. However, it was a matter of certainty versus uncertainty.
In Canada, I actually had a very stable situation. I had a big practice in the Scarborough area [of Toronto], with a lot of Chinese patients, so I had a better, more comfortable life. It was predictable. But then I asked myself what I would be like in 10 years if I stayed in Canada versus Hong Kong. My answer is that I had no idea what would happen to me 10 years later in Hong Kong. In certain parts of life, you have to decide between certainty and uncertainty. And this time, uncertainty brought me great adventure. I definitely would not have done the things I’ve done if I’d stayed in Canada.
Question: At this ASCO, you’ve spoken primarily about your latest research on non–small cell lung cancer with KRAS G12C mutation.Dr. Mok: Actually, my research has been mostly on targeted therapy. My first break was on the EGFR [epidermal growth factor receptor] mutation. I was one of the first to help define personalized medicine according to the EGFR mutation in the IPASS study [2009]. That’s how I started my academic career.
Question: I read some quotes from your writing some years back about “living with imperfection,” and where you wrote about the whole continuum of cancer research. Years ago, you noted that lung cancer was moving from being a death sentence to becoming a chronic condition.
Dr. Mok: The objective is this: A lot of cancer patients, especially lung cancer patients, had a very short survival, but now we are able to identify a subgroup of patients with a driver oncogene.
And with that, we can use a tyrosine kinase inhibitor — which although it has toxicity, it’s manageable toxicity — such that you can take one pill a day and continue to live a normal life. So that would be not so different from diabetes or hypertension: You live with the disease. So that’s what we like to see: the conversion of a fatal disease into a chronic disease.
Question: So many countries now, including the United States and many others, are facing the challenges of cancer care in rural versus urban areas. Is this a topic you’d be willing to address? Dr. Mok: Well, in Hong Kong we don’t have rural areas! But in China, this is a major problem. There most of the cancer care is focused on the so-called three major cities [Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou]. And after that, there are second-tier cities that also have reasonably good care. But when you filter down to the third and fourth layer, the oncology care actually deteriorates. So that’s why we end up with a lot of people from the more rural areas moving and going to the city looking for care and consultation. So yes, the disparity is significant.